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Old May 24th 2011, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
I wouldn't worry too much about their space program. Their rockets would fall apart on launch from dodgy deals, dodgy manufacturing and dodgy software. And if they are manned, the pilots/astronauts probably have dodgy licences as well.
India remains globally competitive via three main mechanisms:

1. Cheap labour.
2. Lack of Western legislation – e.g. OH&S.
3. Third world status, allowing companies like Tata to dump on Western markets without the tariffs that would normally make them uncompetitive.

Indian management is in general absolutely dreadful. It is culturally hidebound, bureaucratic and highly authoritarian. Buthole Tata is way out of line when he complains about British management.

However as discussed earlier, he was simply looking for an excuse to close a plant and transfer production to India, where the cheap labour, lack of legislation and third world status allows it to be competitive.
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I wouldn't worry too much about their space program.
I don't but I fail to see why the west should pay for it
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So we pay for the poor of india whilst India buys market share in Africa?????

Anyone else think this is nuts?
I'm reading Liberty Defined by Ron Paul - great book IMHO. There's a quote in the book about international aid.

"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country."
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I'm reading Liberty Defined by Ron Paul - great book IMHO. There's a quote in the book about international aid.

"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country."

I hope he's the next US president
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Tata may well complain about British management. They may want to cast their minds back to 1984 and the Union carbide disaster at Bhopal.

UC had adopted a hands off approach, allowing former chairman Keshub Mahindra and his team of local management to run the plant. This local management team disregarded even the basic safety regulations set by UC, as did the junior management, and the team leaders. Locally contracted design engineers made basic mistakes, and corruption was endemic at the plant. The result was inevitable.

If Tata think that is good management style he can keep it in India.

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For that matter Tata might want to read the story of the River Princess, beached at Goa for SEVEN years before the Indians managed to decide to cut it up. Even then they had to let a British company handle it.

A read of the Goa section in BE “Rest of the World” about incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity is always interesting. They even have a poll running which includes the question “Have you been subjected to any form of intimidation or been asked for additional monies?”

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I don't but I fail to see why the west should pay for it
Indeed.
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Originally Posted by renth
I'm reading Liberty Defined by Ron Paul - great book IMHO. There's a quote in the book about international aid.

"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country."
I wish there were more politicians like Ron Paul. We could do with a few over here.
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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
Tata may well complain about British management. They may want to cast their minds back to 1984 and the Union carbide disaster at Bhopal.

UC had adopted a hands off approach, allowing former chairman Keshub Mahindra and his team of local management to run the plant. This local management team disregarded even the basic safety regulations set by UC, as did the junior management, and the team leaders. Locally contracted design engineers made basic mistakes, and corruption was endemic at the plant. The result was inevitable.

If Tata think that is good management style he can keep it in India.

Edited to add:

For that matter Tata might want to read the story of the River Princess, beached at Goa for SEVEN years before the Indians managed to decide to cut it up. Even then they had to let a British company handle it.

A read of the Goa section in BE “Rest of the World” about incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity is always interesting. They even have a poll running which includes the question “Have you been subjected to any form of intimidation or been asked for additional monies?”
Sometimes you seem funny...So you could remember only one accident from Indian history, what about nuclear accidents those had happened around the world or any other accidents. Looks like you have become old and cannot remember all the events, but its amazing you remember everything about India!

Have you been in GOA? Instead of incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity, I wonder why its full of stupid people like you from other countries. Go and check yourself.
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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
Tata may well complain about British management. They may want to cast their minds back to 1984 and the Union carbide disaster at Bhopal.

UC had adopted a hands off approach, allowing former chairman Keshub Mahindra and his team of local management to run the plant. This local management team disregarded even the basic safety regulations set by UC, as did the junior management, and the team leaders. Locally contracted design engineers made basic mistakes, and corruption was endemic at the plant. The result was inevitable.

If Tata think that is good management style he can keep it in India.

Edited to add:

For that matter Tata might want to read the story of the River Princess, beached at Goa for SEVEN years before the Indians managed to decide to cut it up. Even then they had to let a British company handle it.

A read of the Goa section in BE “Rest of the World” about incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity is always interesting. They even have a poll running which includes the question “Have you been subjected to any form of intimidation or been asked for additional monies?”
I hope you remember this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwat...izon_oil_spill
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Originally Posted by aman_sharma2k1
Indeed I do mate.

Let me point 3 things out to you:

1. That was BP technology, not Indian, although doubtless India will be happy to copy it or use the oil obtained from it.

2. That was the deepest deep-water drilling operation in the world. Many said it couldn’t be done. It was the equivalent to putting a man on the moon.

3. The loss of life in that incident was minimal. Compare it to Bhopal.
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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
A read of the Goa section in BE “Rest of the World” about incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity is always interesting. They even have a poll running which includes the question “Have you been subjected to any form of intimidation or been asked for additional monies?”
The Goa section has some very scary reading. I understand that it's a beautiful part of the world but why people put themselves through the nightmare of living there is completely beyond me. The crap they have to put up with is horrific.
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Originally Posted by aman_sharma2k1
Sometimes you seem funny...So you could remember only one accident from Indian history, what about nuclear accidents those had happened around the world or any other accidents. Looks like you have become old and cannot remember all the events, but its amazing you remember everything about India!

Have you been in GOA? Instead of incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity, I wonder why its full of stupid people like you from other countries. Go and check yourself.
Remind us again... why did you leave India?
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Originally Posted by aman_sharma2k1
Have you been in GOA? Instead of incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and outright stupidity, I wonder why its full of stupid people like you from other countries. Go and check yourself.
No mate , I haven’t lived in Goa. But I have lived in Bombay in the early 80s. That was enough. Do you want me to detail my experiences?

You might remember – this started with the head of Tata saying British management was substandard. Do you agree?
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You might remember – this started with the head of Tata saying British management was substandard. Do you agree?
Which of the things he's actually quoted as saying do you disagree with?
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Which of the things he's actually quoted as saying do you disagree with?
http://www.managers.org.uk/node/54062

http://www.xfforum.co.uk/threads/531...ustry-Managers

http://www.rushlane.com/work-ethics-...a-1214498.html

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...sh_work_ethic/
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