The Real Australia
Sep 29th 2003, 11:03 pm
#16
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Originally posted by Rossi
This is not meant to be an aggressive post but it is difficult to put emotional emphasis in writing
This is not meant to be an aggressive post but it is difficult to put emotional emphasis in writing
Sep 29th 2003, 11:05 pm
#17
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Originally posted by badgersmount
same sh*t different country
some people I guess aren't just made for Australia..
same sh*t different country
some people I guess aren't just made for Australia..
Sep 29th 2003, 11:13 pm
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Originally posted by Amanda&Paul
I have a neighbour in my road who takes his elderly dog for a walk every morning and evening. As this dog can bearly walk he walks ahead and never seems to notice his dog relieving itself in various peoples gardens (mine included). GRRRRRRRRRR One day I am going to scoop these messages up and post them through his porch door - probably on the morning the removal men come (I am a chicken!).
I have a neighbour in my road who takes his elderly dog for a walk every morning and evening. As this dog can bearly walk he walks ahead and never seems to notice his dog relieving itself in various peoples gardens (mine included). GRRRRRRRRRR One day I am going to scoop these messages up and post them through his porch door - probably on the morning the removal men come (I am a chicken!).
Perhaps to inform us all that in OZ dogs wont crap on your lawn?
No sorry lost me here for sure????
Sep 29th 2003, 11:28 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
As for a 13k job thats a good wage for many here
As for a 13k job thats a good wage for many here
Sep 29th 2003, 11:32 pm
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Originally posted by MrsDagboy
Many people earn $13,000/year & thats a good wage? Are you sure you dont want to change that comment dotty?
Many people earn $13,000/year & thats a good wage? Are you sure you dont want to change that comment dotty?
Thanks for picking that up. I shall change my typo now.
Sep 29th 2003, 11:36 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
Yes I do, I should have put 13,000k which equates to about $32,000 which would be a good wage in many parts of OZ.
Thanks for picking that up. I shall change my typo now.
Yes I do, I should have put 13,000k which equates to about $32,000 which would be a good wage in many parts of OZ.
Thanks for picking that up. I shall change my typo now.
Hang On!
Just checked on that post I DID PUT 13K, meaning pounds.
We must stop putting wine on the cornflakes
Sep 29th 2003, 11:40 pm
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13k
13k converted in to dollars is probably a sort of low-average wage for Australia when all is said and done. Ok for a second income.
In the UK, 13k is a starting wage in certain jobs in London. Kind of public sector/admin starter jobs. Most people wouldn't get out of bed for that. Although it may pay for a roof over your head, of some sort, and your food and bills as a 20 something single.
For a family bread winner it would be breadline I guess. (Depending on what the partner does/home owner status/mortage repayments/location). I know it is:
I was brought up in a council estate and my old man earnt 10k pa throughout the 1980s whilst I was at school.
My teachers at my posh school were amazed and one almost burst in to tears when he realised how skint we were. He kept behind after school and said "Can you apologise to your father for me". He said "I'll never whinge about teacher's pay again" - this was 1985.
In the UK, 13k is a starting wage in certain jobs in London. Kind of public sector/admin starter jobs. Most people wouldn't get out of bed for that. Although it may pay for a roof over your head, of some sort, and your food and bills as a 20 something single.
For a family bread winner it would be breadline I guess. (Depending on what the partner does/home owner status/mortage repayments/location). I know it is:
I was brought up in a council estate and my old man earnt 10k pa throughout the 1980s whilst I was at school.
My teachers at my posh school were amazed and one almost burst in to tears when he realised how skint we were. He kept behind after school and said "Can you apologise to your father for me". He said "I'll never whinge about teacher's pay again" - this was 1985.
Sep 29th 2003, 11:41 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
Yes I do, I should have put 13,000k which equates to about $32,000 which would be a good wage in many parts of OZ.
Thanks for picking that up. I shall change my typo now.
Yes I do, I should have put 13,000k which equates to about $32,000 which would be a good wage in many parts of OZ.
Thanks for picking that up. I shall change my typo now.
.$32,000 is a very basic wage, Im not sure that many people earn that working full time, but certainly some do. It depends on your job I guess.
Sep 29th 2003, 11:44 pm
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I've told my fiance that we could be lucky to earn 45k each a year as professionals in our fields.
In a state capital city one of us in a "top" job might earn more, the other quite a bit less. eg. In Sydney and Melborne I might even get 60k if I was right time right place but I'm not banking on it.
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In a state capital city one of us in a "top" job might earn more, the other quite a bit less. eg. In Sydney and Melborne I might even get 60k if I was right time right place but I'm not banking on it.
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Sep 29th 2003, 11:50 pm
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Originally posted by badgersmount
I've told my fiance that we could be lucky to earn 45k each a year as professionals in our fields.
In a state capital city one of us in a "top" job might earn more, the other quite a bit less. eg. In Sydney and Melborne I might even get 60k if I was right time right place but I'm not banking on it.
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I've told my fiance that we could be lucky to earn 45k each a year as professionals in our fields.
In a state capital city one of us in a "top" job might earn more, the other quite a bit less. eg. In Sydney and Melborne I might even get 60k if I was right time right place but I'm not banking on it.
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40k to 55K for 2nd level IT support in Sydney unless you are in a niche area or got lucky.
Sep 29th 2003, 11:51 pm
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Originally posted by dotty
Hang On!
Just checked on that post I DID PUT 13K, meaning pounds.
We must stop putting wine on the cornflakes
Hang On!
Just checked on that post I DID PUT 13K, meaning pounds.
We must stop putting wine on the cornflakes
Bugger the wine, kahlua goes much better with cornflakes
Sep 29th 2003, 11:57 pm
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Originally posted by bondipom
What do you do?
40k to 55K for 2nd level IT support in Sydney unless you are in a niche area or got lucky.
What do you do?
40k to 55K for 2nd level IT support in Sydney unless you are in a niche area or got lucky.
developer
SQL server / VB/ .NET / Web /ASP development
good Cv, blue chip/international experience of varied aspects of life cycle
2 years ago I saw jobs for 80k Strayan but am not banking on it now.
just started a new thread incidentally Mr BP.
Sep 30th 2003, 1:21 am
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Re: The Real Australia
Originally posted by Rosy
Having just browsed through the Forum, I am totally amazed by the number of people who come over to Oz for a holiday and immediately decide its Utopia.
Have any of you stopped to consider the implications of this view?
Yes, a holiday in Australia IS a WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
Yes, Australia is a GREAT place to spend a holiday.
However, I can assure you, that is about ALL it is. A great holiday experience. Try living in it...
How many of you can honestly say you relish the thought of being taxed at 48% once you achieve a realistically livable income?
How many of you would want your children educated in a third rate educational system?
How many of you can justify paying £2,000 for a course of dental treatment? (and that's not including root canal work, and the more expensive stuff).
How will you feel when you are sitting inside your home and a "hoon" decides to do donuts on your front lawn???
Schools here come in 2 types - state and private. With private, you get to pay for the education + materials + extra-curricular activities + school building fund. With state, you get to pay for everything as above excluding the education, which, if you're one of the lucky ones, is a pretty poor average compared to European standards.
Try running a business here - if you can remember what it was like in the 70's in the UK, then you'll be OK. You may be able to accept the petty-minded, bureaucratically-stifled approaches, but many cannot and will not.
Yep, Australia is a wonderful place to spend a few months - just not what some may crack it up to be for a lifetime...
Having just browsed through the Forum, I am totally amazed by the number of people who come over to Oz for a holiday and immediately decide its Utopia.
Have any of you stopped to consider the implications of this view?
Yes, a holiday in Australia IS a WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
Yes, Australia is a GREAT place to spend a holiday.
However, I can assure you, that is about ALL it is. A great holiday experience. Try living in it...
How many of you can honestly say you relish the thought of being taxed at 48% once you achieve a realistically livable income?
How many of you would want your children educated in a third rate educational system?
How many of you can justify paying £2,000 for a course of dental treatment? (and that's not including root canal work, and the more expensive stuff).
How will you feel when you are sitting inside your home and a "hoon" decides to do donuts on your front lawn???
Schools here come in 2 types - state and private. With private, you get to pay for the education + materials + extra-curricular activities + school building fund. With state, you get to pay for everything as above excluding the education, which, if you're one of the lucky ones, is a pretty poor average compared to European standards.
Try running a business here - if you can remember what it was like in the 70's in the UK, then you'll be OK. You may be able to accept the petty-minded, bureaucratically-stifled approaches, but many cannot and will not.
Yep, Australia is a wonderful place to spend a few months - just not what some may crack it up to be for a lifetime...
We live in a "nice" area and get woken at night by hoons shouting in the street, doing burnouts and pushing the neighbours brick wall over.
The omission is in not mentioning all the good things about Australia because there are plenty.
Depending on where you live in Oz, your priorities in life and how much you earn, life here can be anything from much better than the UK to much worse.
Sep 30th 2003, 1:29 am
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Re: The Real Australia
Originally posted by renth
Although I'm not running a business here so can't comment about that particular point, the rest of what Rosy says is true.
We live in a "nice" area and get woken at night by hoons shouting in the street, doing burnouts and pushing the neighbours brick wall over.
The omission is in not mentioning all the good things about Australia because there are plenty.
Depending on where you live in Oz, your priorities in life and how much you earn, life here can be anything from much better than the UK to much worse.
Although I'm not running a business here so can't comment about that particular point, the rest of what Rosy says is true.
We live in a "nice" area and get woken at night by hoons shouting in the street, doing burnouts and pushing the neighbours brick wall over.
The omission is in not mentioning all the good things about Australia because there are plenty.
Depending on where you live in Oz, your priorities in life and how much you earn, life here can be anything from much better than the UK to much worse.
Sep 30th 2003, 1:34 am
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Re: The Real Australia
Originally posted by bondipom
Last year the local private school kids went on a rampage down campbell pade and did $250000s worth of damage to cars and the Surf Life Saving club.
Last year the local private school kids went on a rampage down campbell pade and did $250000s worth of damage to cars and the Surf Life Saving club.