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Old Aug 5th 2010 | 11:54 pm
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Originally Posted by shuvo27
Really? then how come I got some mails from some recruiters saying that this job strictly requires "Local Experience" and as you don't have any, we are sorry to say that you are not suitable for this job. No phone calls, nothing. Maybe they are telepathic.
Maybe you come over as bit of a pleb. That's not what they said to me.
 
Old Aug 5th 2010 | 11:59 pm
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All Oz recruitment agencies are crap. I ve only being here for 12 days. Beware of them!

One agency here sent me an email just after interview that I m not selected!, Called him just after that & said that he has forgotten to tick myself off from the 'database" as interviewed. Poor dude!
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:00 am
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Originally Posted by shuvo27
How come USA has seen a boom in their IT with graduates from India and China?And mind it aus IT is nothing if you compare it to US IT. Did they take US Local Experience with them? What Did the US govt check for before dishing out H1B? How come sun, microsoft ,adobe, cisco , oracle all are situated in USA and overflowing with Asian graduates and their products are used around the world including Australia. You can look for reasons to support your cause whole night mate, but ultimately its just a crap attitude. I don't think a seasoned professional from any country would need more than a month to get accustomed to new environment as IT people are already habituated in working with offshore projects. And its true that a guy with 2 years local experience gets preference from a guy with 5 years experience abroad . Its only the loss of this industry, someday they will realize. I have many of my friends in my country working for offshore Australian software companies and they never saw the dust of Aus. How could they deliver for years?
What they do in any other country in the world is completely irrelevant. You are in Australia and as such are experiencing the ways that the Australian companies you have had dealings with manage their HR. Not all Australian companies work in the same way but many many do. You deal with it or you don't, they're not going to worry, they will have plenty more applicants to chose from.
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:01 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
What they do in any other country in the world is completely irrelevant. You are in Australia and as such are experiencing the ways that the Australian companies you have had dealings with manage their HR. Not all Australian companies work in the same way but many many do. You deal with it or you don't, they're not going to worry, they will have plenty more applicants to chose from.
Right - I'm off. Next!!! Anyone want to be a fly on the wall of some of the rooms these people (from many backgrounds) find themselves in?
 
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Originally Posted by charw
All Oz recruitment agencies are crap. I ve only being here for 12 days. Beware of them!
And you've experienced ALL of them already? Hells teeth you have been busy.
 
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oh should I paste the mail then? won't look good.

MoneyPenny...this is the reason why I posted this thread pal. So the people dreaming of colorful jobs after coming here,would know the music they have to face once they start looking for job. I already got one, thanks god it was not advertised by the XXXX XXXX agents.

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Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
Bullcrap as always. I have never heard an Australian I have worked with talk about being 'world class'. In fact, most I meet would have the opposite view. Most companies I have worked at here have recruited people who have hailed from all sorts of places.

You sound like one of the hoardes with a big chip. Where DO you people come from!?
The real world.

Sorry if you haven't got out much and paid attention, but those attitudes are real. Sure they aren't everyone, and as I said, different industries have different cultures, but as a general pen picture to work with, its useful.

Honestly, there seem to be a group who've taken on a very australian view of ignoring idiosyncrasies of the culture - and in doing so demonstrated the truth of them. It's not me with the chip on the shoulder....
 
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Originally Posted by shuvo27
oh should I paste the mail then? won't look good.

MoneyPenny...this is the reason why I posted this thread pal. So the people dreaming of colorful jobs after coming here,would know the music they have to face once they start looking for job. I already got one, thanks god it was not advertised by the crap shit agents.
But there are plenty of people who arrive and get the job they want immediately. It's luck of the draw. I have no problem with you highlighting the problem you experienced, just balancing the suggestion that everyone will have the same issues.
 
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Well the funniest thing for me is one of my friend used to work for an aussie offshore company in my country for a long time. That company is really reputed and has been serving aussie clients for more than 10 years. That dude came to sydney 4 months ago and still roaming around in the streets.lol...I think the plane journey took out all his skills that he applied during all his years of working in aussie projects...
 
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
And you've experienced ALL of them already? Hells teeth you have been busy.
Just busy with BE. Not with all . Here I find enough horrible stuff to back up my experience with just 3 of them
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by shuvo27
Well the funniest thing for me is one of my friend used to work for an aussie offshore company in my country for a long time. That company is really reputed and has been serving aussie clients for more than 10 years. That dude came to sydney 4 months ago and still roaming around in the streets.lol...I think the plane journey took out all his skills that he applied during all his years of working in aussie projects...
Personally, I feel that even though qualifications are important in getting a job, 70% of whether you get a job or not, is winning the 'attitude contest' in the interview.

And this is possibly where you may have encountered your problems, judging by your responses.
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Honestly, there seem to be a group who've taken on a very australian view of ignoring idiosyncrasies of the culture - and in doing so demonstrated the truth of them. It's not me with the chip on the shoulder....
NO!!! For pete's sake. Some of us work in normal companies, with normal people, and as I've just said all of them take pride in recruiting all sorts of people. Often the Australian born and educated are token members. I am surrounded by Indians, Russians, South Africans. I take some of the complaints so seriously I ask my fellow wokers about them - I arrived in this country 8 years ago and have been on this forum for about 7. Time and time again, from relationships I've built up - the people I know do not behave like the people you talk about. I often put it down to demographics - perhaps there are second tier companies or jobs out there - I don't honestly know.

There are people out there who seem to draw this bizarre, cliched line and conclusions. I can't work out where you people come from. IF the real world is that some people are destinied to clash and find themselves at odds with others then yes, I can believe it - I hope they can rectify them and their world fast. It's their loss.

I've interviewed my own countrymen. A minority have been quite embarassing and my fellow interviewers have found them amusing. They were simply not professional enough for the Melbourne market. One was rather naive and unworldly. Are all English people like this - of course not. Perhaps he also complains on internet forums - who knows? Again - real world!
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:41 am
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The most unreliable, unprincipled and dishonest people I know in Australia are the recruiting agents and real estate agents. I trust none of them. They are serial liars and untrustworthy.
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:41 am
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Well, please Badge, tell me which company you work for? My OH has been searching for a job for the last 9 months. He's just completed his Masters and he can't get a look in. Maybe you could help him?
 
Old Aug 6th 2010 | 12:43 am
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
...all of them take pride .... relationships I've built up - the people I know ... people out there who seem to draw this bizarre, cliched line and conclusions .... they can rectify them and their world fast. It's their loss...A minority have been quite embarassing ... not professional enough for the Melbourne market. One was rather naive and unworldly.
Sorry, but your words are speaking volumes. You have seen (from your own words) again and again people saying that there is an 'insular' viewpoint that's prevalent, but you close your ears to the possibility and instead state 'not professional enough for Melbourne'!

Honest, the place has a culture. Everywhere has a culture, its not a bad thing. Everyplace has its idiosyncrasies and ways you have to get used to - or take advantage of. Seems to me that you can no longer see them. I'd recommend catching up with some aussies in London and why they are over in the UK. Its kind of interesting to get their perspective on the differences - they certainly don't come for the slower, less professional life !
 


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