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Old Jun 13th 2016 | 11:23 pm
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
A load of rubbish of course unless of a specific skin type. Get out there in the sun. Great for blood pressure, strengthen bones in older folk and a host of other health benefits. Besides creating a sense of well being.
I get out in the sun a lot however I am also Vitamin D deficient. Just saying. Lots of people panic about melanomas and so stay out of the sun to the point that they are also deficient. Telling them to get out in the sun and possibly get cancer is easier said than done and may not make any difference to their Vit D levels.
 
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Large parts of Britain have a decent climate for large parts of the year. Well three or four months at any rate. Not that the climate is necessarily much better in Australia for different reasons of course. Depending on preference. To tell the truth weather wasn't much of a concern in London. Far too much other things going on.
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Old Jun 14th 2016 | 7:06 pm
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Most artificial sunscreens are bad for you. They are full of toxins that your body absorbs, which some claim as cancer causing.

They prevent you from getting sun burnt but also block out essential Vitamin D, which you need.

Building up a natural resistance to harmful UV rays is the better way to go or use a natural sunblock if being in the sun for longer periods of time.

I could provide copious amounts of links to support this, but Google is your friend.

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Old Jun 19th 2016 | 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by Alfresco
Most artificial sunscreens are bad for you. They are full of toxins that your body absorbs, which some claim as cancer causing.

They prevent you from getting sun burnt but also block out essential Vitamin D, which you need.

Building up a natural resistance to harmful UV rays is the better way to go or use a natural sunblock if being in the sun for longer periods of time.

I could provide copious amounts of links to support this

Happy tanning.
Where to start with this? There is, unfortunately, a lot of misinformation on the web, and just about everything you wrote is incorrect. Every ingredient in sunscreen needs to be tested by government authorities before it can be approved for consumer use.

Most people don't apply anywhere near enough sunscreen to completely block UVB, so you're not robbing yourself of any significant Vitamin D.

I haven't found a credible study that has found a link between sunscreen and cancer (Scientists Blow the Lid on Cancer and Sunscreen Myth : snopes.com), but there are plenty that have found a reduced occurrence of melanoma with regular sunscreen use.
(Reduced melanoma after regular sunscreen use: randomized trial follow-up. - PubMed - NCBI) (Regular Use of Sunscreen Can Reduce Melanoma Risk - SkinCancer.org) (World leading research confirms regular sunscreen use can prevent melanoma - Cancer Council Australia)

The web is awash with a ton of websites masquerading as official news, mostly peddling crap to generate clicks with sensational stories of things we should be afraid of. Sunscreen shouldn't be on that list.

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Old Jun 23rd 2016 | 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by davey6693
Where to start with this? There is, unfortunately, a lot of misinformation on the web, and just about everything you wrote is incorrect. Every ingredient in sunscreen needs to be tested by government authorities before it can be approved for consumer use.

Most people don't apply anywhere near enough sunscreen to completely block UVB, so you're not robbing yourself of any significant Vitamin D.

I haven't found a credible study that has found a link between sunscreen and cancer (Scientists Blow the Lid on Cancer and Sunscreen Myth : snopes.com), but there are plenty that have found a reduced occurrence of melanoma with regular sunscreen use.
(Reduced melanoma after regular sunscreen use: randomized trial follow-up. - PubMed - NCBI) (Regular Use of Sunscreen Can Reduce Melanoma Risk - SkinCancer.org) (World leading research confirms regular sunscreen use can prevent melanoma - Cancer Council Australia)

The web is awash with a ton of websites masquerading as official news, mostly peddling crap to generate clicks with sensational stories of things we should be afraid of. Sunscreen shouldn't be on that list.
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/abou...my-body-needs/

A snippet from the article below.

Protecting the skin

While covering up to prevent too much sun exposure is an important step in protecting yourself from skin cancer, research has not always shown that sunscreen is the safest and most effective method.

Research has shown that sunscreen helps prevent squamous cell carcinoma, but has no effect in preventing basal cell carcinoma. For melanoma, research has been contradictory. Some research shows that sunscreen prevents melanoma, while other research shows that it increases your chance of getting melanoma.

For these reasons, the Vitamin D Council believes that covering up with clothing and/or going into the shade (after you get a little bit of sun exposure), is a safer way to protect yourself from too much sun exposure.


So, who do we actually believe? Is the vitamindcouncil.org not a credible source?

I prefer to err on the side of caution and not expose my skin to artificial sunscreens as they may contain other harmful substances that we may not be aware of yet. Clothing, shade and moderate sunshine exposure is common sense. A lot cheaper too.

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Old Jun 25th 2016 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Alfresco
research has not always shown that sunscreen is the safest and most effective method.
Well of course, staying within concrete walls 24/7 will do that for you, won't it?

Originally Posted by Alfresco
Research has shown that sunscreen helps prevent squamous cell carcinoma, but has no effect in preventing basal cell carcinoma. For melanoma, research has been contradictory. Some research shows that sunscreen prevents melanoma, while other research shows that it increases your chance of getting melanoma.
I'd be happy to see that research, but it appears they don't provide any. "Research shows" is an empty statement unless it points to actual research.

On the other hand, Is There Truly No Benefit with Sunscreen Use and Basal Cell Carcinoma? A Critical Review of the Literature and the Application of New Sunscreen Labeling Rules to Real-World Sunscreen Practices article PMC3357551 from the National Institutes of Health says:

"UV damage causes BCC, and sunscreens block UV. Dermatologists recommend to their patients the daily use of high SPF and broad spectrum sunscreens applied in liberal amounts as part of a photoprotection plan, but no studies have examined the effects of sunscreen on BCC with parameters comparable to these recommendations. Published literature finding no effect of sunscreen on BCC did not utilize true daily use of high SPF and broad spectrum sunscreens with consistent application and likely involved inadequate amounts applied."

This is from a government website. Don't get me wrong, I'm quick in line to have a go at governments, but in general they are the best hope we've got in a whole host of areas like clean drinking water, safe electric/gas/water/building regulations, and in general these work.

Originally Posted by Alfresco
So, who do we actually believe? Is the vitamindcouncil.org not a credible source?
Doubt it. Here are a few things that set the alarm bells ringing:
a) an immediate popup asking me to donate money
b) top banner asking me to "order a vitamin D test kit" for $50 (or $180)
c) another pop-up telling me that 40% of the word is vitamin D deficient, and "the best way to help" (yes, I really copied and pasted that) is to subscribe at $5/month, $50/year or $1000 lifetime.
d) The appearance of Vitamin D Council in the quackwatch list of "questionable organizations" Questionable Organizations: An Overview


Originally Posted by Alfresco
Clothing, shade and moderate sunshine exposure is common sense. A lot cheaper too.

2 Cents.
No arguments with respect to clothing and shade. I could not agree more with that.
 

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