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Old May 30th 2016 | 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by Bean85
The term ' newbies' is possibly the most patronising word I've seen used. My plan to move to Australia will be over 5-6 year time frame giving me time to research and I have a lot of family and friends who live there ...... I stopped looking for advice on here about how to move ....
You are clearly atypical. Most people who come to BE don't have your resources, and apparently not your patience either. Worse they come here wearing rose-tinted spectacles and only seem to want confirmation that the process is easy and life in Australia (or wherever) is wonderful.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 1:56 am
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Originally Posted by Bean85
The term ' newbies' is possibly the most patronising word I've seen used. My plan to move to Australia will be over 5-6 year time frame giving me time to research and I have a lot of family and friends who live their & so I dont need your sarcastic good luck. I stopped looking for advice on here about how to move after about a week of joining because of people like you. And so glad I did it gave me a much more positive approach & I didn't feel like I had to know everything their is about Australia in a week of being on a forum! Ridiculous, I'm so happy for you all that you are confident you know everything about Australia that's great maybe some people are taking that journey a little slower and taking everything as it comes!
What term would you use to describe a newly registered BE member who was asking advice of users who'd been here for a few years?

As for having to know everything about Australia within a week of being on BE, I have no idea where you got that idea from. I was on BE for about four months as a guest/reader before I registered, I was registered for about 18 months before I moved and I've now been here in Aus for over 10 years and I can say hand on heart I know very little, in the grand scheme of things, about Australia and migrating.

I read thread after thread after thread for months before I asked a question. When I did ask questions people generally replied with either a link to another thread or the Immigration Dept site etc that I may have missed or gave me the info. Some of them took the piss because I may have worded the question in a dumb manner. I sucked up all the info both good bad and indifferent and I thanked people. I appreciated the fact that they had replied, regardless of whether I wanted to hear the reply.

As far as I understand the above is pretty much how the vast majority of posters did their research. Not one person on here gets paid for helping others. Some reply with sweetness and light, some with slightly less objectivity and some, because of their personal circumstance with downright negativity. If you want a balanced view you read it all and work out which replies apply to you but there's no need to abuse people for replying to your questions, just ignore what you don't like and thank those whose reply you do like.

You registered on BE for advice and information. Apparently you haven't appreciated what you've been told. However you then tell someone who's been helping others for a number of years that perhaps she should get a life. What would happen if everyone who'd got help moving here then dropped away and never helped the people following? Where would the help come from?

You're very lucky to have friends and family who can help and support. The majority of us don't/didn't have that luck. If you want to stick around and get involved in the huge family that is BE that's awesome and you'd be very welcome, if it's not for you and you go elsewhere then that's also cool, you could even find five other expat forums and use all of them but please don't abuse people unnecessarily.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 5:23 am
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by Bean85
The term ' newbies' is possibly the most patronising word I've seen used. My plan to move to Australia will be over 5-6 year time frame giving me time to research and I have a lot of family and friends who live their & so I dont need your sarcastic good luck. I stopped looking for advice on here about how to move after about a week of joining because of people like you. And so glad I did it gave me a much more positive approach & I didn't feel like I had to know everything their is about Australia in a week of being on a forum! Ridiculous, I'm so happy for you all that you are confident you know everything about Australia that's great maybe some people are taking that journey a little slower and taking everything as it comes!
Ah, so you didn't get the answers you were hoping for either! That figures!

You've successfully insulted several people who put a lot of time and energy into helping people who want to move to Australia, if you think "newbies" is patronising, you are seriously going to struggle with Australian attitudes and humour should you ever get there.

People ask questions, people answer questions and, quite frankly, some of the questions are naive in the extreme but people still take the time to answer. If they are a little short and don't deliver a "sweetness and light every base covered" essay in response, you have to cut them a bit of slack because if the questioner perused a little bit more and tracked the odd thread or two before launching onto their keyboard they would quickly get an idea of what might be the response. Even if they gave a little bit of a clue that they had considered various facets of living in Australia (like its size for starters) rather than the usual "where can I find a family friendly mainly British suburb" kind of thing, they would get more useful information.

There ya go, all you helpful folk who try and answer questions - don't bother, they don't want the answers!
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 5:33 am
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by Bean85
The term ' newbies' is possibly the most patronising word I've seen used.
In which case, I think pretty much all of us are guilty then - 'newbie' is a standard internet term meaning a newcomer to a forum, and I use it regularly, as do most on BE. In fact, we have sticky 'welcoming' threads in the Canada forum that are addressed to that exact term, a 'Newbie'. Nobody has ever complained about it being patronising in my numerous years as a mod on this forum, so I think you might just be alone in finding it offensive tbh.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 6:04 am
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by Bean85
I didn't look at your history because I don't particularly care enough. And if your only putting your time into maybe you've got a little too much time on your hands! A little advice is all people are looking for here. Not to have it pushed down their throat & to be made to feel bad for not knowing enough about the country. I'm sure all those 18 year ago you were just as naive & clueless however, you won't remember that as your now so well educated...
What on earth is your problem? You had posted three times prior to this outburst and you received perfectly pleasant and helpful responses.

Although I guess we did decline to advise you which part of Australia is "best for Brits" although it was explained why not.

By the way, your comment about having too much time on hands is rude and also illogical. You are apparently wanting to use a forum for advice but then insulting the people that do contribute by suggesting that they are saddos with too much time on their hands? Which is it?
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 6:59 am
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I'm very much a newcomer here. My first thread had a little skepticism associated with our long planning process too, 4-5 years, but all the points made were fair even if I don't plan to act on all of the advice. We're all different.

I think the important thing is to be appreciative of the time people take to post answers, whether they agree with you or not.

Most of the direct responses I see are to find out what you have figured out for yourself, and let you know what you might be getting yourself into. No bad thing when you might be starting a venture that is going to cost you tens of thousands if it's a success, and much more if it doesn't work out.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 9:10 am
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by Bean85
The term ' newbies' is possibly the most patronising word I've seen used. My plan to move to Australia will be over 5-6 year time frame giving me time to research and I have a lot of family and friends who live their & so I dont need your sarcastic good luck. I stopped looking for advice on here about how to move after about a week of joining because of people like you. And so glad I did it gave me a much more positive approach & I didn't feel like I had to know everything their is about Australia in a week of being on a forum! Ridiculous, I'm so happy for you all that you are confident you know everything about Australia that's great maybe some people are taking that journey a little slower and taking everything as it comes!
So your advice for the OP was....?

Oh yeah, no advice at all, because until she knows if she even qualifies for a visa then there's not a lot people can answer.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 9:21 am
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by teza


To the ones who think we are rude.
Few times a week, every week, every year, people come and post how bad things are in UK, they want to move away from multiculturalism and into sunshine with high wages and cheap housing..
Time and time again we point out that visas, if they qualify for them, will drain them out of $10k after all is done.
Australia is no longer cheap and jobs ARE hard to come by unless you have niche in certain highly qualified area.

So not probably being narky towards OP, more so people having to repeat the same comments atleast three times a week all year around.
These are...

Do you qualify for visa? If you don't, all else is moot!
Do you understand that Oz is full of foreigners therefore multicultural life is inevitable. As such if you want to leave that behind it'll be infront of you again.

Do you have money to survive upto a year without a job? Jobs are scarce in certain areas and with certain occupations, just because they are on skilled list (teachers, accountants etc), they actually shouldn't be on the list. I currently know 7 aussie trained teachers working as cleaners and waitresses)

Weather? You want to move for the weather? I don't leave the house much for about 2mths straight due to heat and pay through the nose to have an aircon.
So does everyone else and therefore the power cuts.
Or two months in winter where it rains sideways and upwards and like the last 2 weekends, power was out total of 57hrs due to storms and my bedroom was +5 degrees thanks to the quality of the building. Yep, fantastic weather, don't get me even started on bushfires and flooding!

So yes, we may come across as narky but when someone wants to run away (and like I said these postings are more frequent than ever), this is what you'll be coming to. It's not all sunshine, jobs are hard to come by and no, being part of commonwealth doesn't make you eligible for a visa.

That doesn't make it rude, it's a polite way to say, click on the BE search button and someone has already asked the same question 3 days ago, a week ago and atleast 40 times in the last 6mths.

I know all the newbies will find this rude as they have a dream.
I have nothing against dreams but this is the reality shot I hope you take aboard.
Sounds like you live in a miserable place.

I would advise a move.

Lucky Australia is a big country with lots of variation.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 1:11 pm
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by Beoz
Sounds like you live in a miserable place.

I would advise a move.

Lucky Australia is a big country with lots of variation.
Actually Teza, you've made me feel great...very many thanks I often think that the six months that I spend in a completely frozen climate is dreadful...I had never strayed from Canada to the Australian forum before this post...knowing that you aren't all having a great time with a prawn on the Barbie makes me feel much much better!

Quite seriously, I came on this forum six or seven years ago from France where I was living. I have now been living in Canada for nearly four years. I had visited the country many times, and am married to a Canadian, but the practicalities of moving, with a child, three cats one dog and an enormous shipment would have been impossible without the help of so very many posters on BE. They've stuck with me during the euphoric first year, and then through the depressive second year, many of them have become friends from afar and we are a support network....which lots of us need and value.

Newbies, really good luck...if it is all 'just a dream' enjoy it, and rubbish our advice...if you are going to ever make the journey, you'll probably one day need to have resource to some of our past experiences...in which case, welcome! That's why we are here, we just wanted to give something back.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 3:01 pm
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Default Re: Moving to Australia

Originally Posted by teza


To the ones who think we are rude.
Few times a week, every week, every year, people come and post how bad things are in UK, they want to move away from multiculturalism and into sunshine with high wages and cheap housing..

people having to repeat the same comments at least three times a week all year around.

So yes, we may come across as narky but when someone wants to run away (and like I said these postings are more frequent than ever), this is what you'll be coming to. It's not all sunshine, jobs are hard to come by and no, being part of commonwealth doesn't make you eligible for a visa.

That doesn't make it rude, it's a polite way to say, click on the BE search button and someone has already asked the same question 3 days ago, a week ago and at least 40 times in the last 6mths.


Thank you, I'm glad someone has said it. I noticed some years ago the same questions get asked time and again. Usually by people who insist they've searched the site too.
 
Old May 30th 2016 | 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Rebeccarathmill
I've only just started looking into it. There is a lot I need to look at but just wanted a bit of guidance. Thanks


That's ok. I would have thought though far more to consider in that case. Besides the ability to be in with a chance to qualify, more important the dynamics of such a move. The huge cost of living Down Under, where to locate, work situation. Just because skill may be interested, far from assured of obtaining work in that field.
There is really a lot to consider. Australia is far removed from being a definite improvement in living standards as a generation ago.
 
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Sounds like you live in a miserable place.

I would advise a move.

Lucky Australia is a big country with lots of variation.


It certainly is a big place. But not as varied as one may assume. One is largely confined to a few locations for work, most places are expensive to boot. Without a job, likely won't last long.
 
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It certainly is a big place. But not as varied as one may assume. One is largely confined to a few locations for work, most places are expensive to boot. Without a job, likely won't last long.
Expensive compared to what? There's not a single place in Australia where the average salary and cost of living are as distant as a place like London.

Anyhow. I was more thinking about the reference to not going outside for 2 months of the year. That might be somewhere in Australia but I wouldn't have a clue where ..... Marble Bar?

The glass half full attitude stinks and I have no idea why people, yourself as a chief instigator, try to put people off living their dreams. Self pity?
 
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Expensive compared to what? There's not a single place in Australia where the average salary and cost of living are as distant as a place like London.

Anyhow. I was more thinking about the reference to not going outside for 2 months of the year. That might be somewhere in Australia but I wouldn't have a clue where ..... Marble Bar?

The glass half full attitude stinks and I have no idea why people, yourself as a chief instigator, try to put people off living their dreams. Self pity?
I'm a Marble Bar girl - it's lovely. Haven't been back for about 30 years now. I hope to go in the next year or so. I've still got extended family there and a brother in Nullagine. I'll let you know if I get to go outside when I'm there.
 
Old May 31st 2016 | 12:00 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Expensive compared to what? There's not a single place in Australia where the average salary and cost of living are as distant as a place like London.

Anyhow. I was more thinking about the reference to not going outside for 2 months of the year. That might be somewhere in Australia but I wouldn't have a clue where ..... Marble Bar?

The glass half full attitude stinks and I have no idea why people, yourself as a chief instigator, try to put people off living their dreams. Self pity?
I didn't say never go out but as we seem to live in "cyclone alley" options are limited.
I do love where I live and therefore unlike your suggestions I don't want to move and it's not miserable. However, here comes the hated word, "newbies" expect eternal sunshine, that it is not for sure.
People who want to move here for weather may not realise that it's not just sunshine but yes, weather plays huge part, effecting work, ability of kids walking to school, all sports etc
 


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