fed up with uk
Apr 18th 2005, 3:11 am
#106
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by Stormz
There`s a BIG difference. Immigration in the UK isn`t properly controlled.
Immigration in Aus is.
Nothing wrong with people immigrating anywhere, as long as they enhance the country, not bring it down.
Immigration in Aus is.
Nothing wrong with people immigrating anywhere, as long as they enhance the country, not bring it down.
So why are they still letting all you poms in? I thought we'd learnt our lesson years ago 
Apr 18th 2005, 3:31 am
#107
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by sackofspuds
Nope, you are not alone, most of the tabloid press are right with you.
There are just as many "bludgers" in Oz as in the UK.
The "tax credit" system is for people who work (and hence pay taxes). Not even the Victorians objected to helping the "working poor"; they were seen as worthy even then.
You complain about those who don't "contribute to society" but from what you've said, you have a successful business and have done well (like lots of us) through the good fortune of having your house explode in value. Personally, I don't count paying taxes as a great contribution to society. The teaching and medical professions are the ones who make the most contribution in my book.
There are just as many "bludgers" in Oz as in the UK.
The "tax credit" system is for people who work (and hence pay taxes). Not even the Victorians objected to helping the "working poor"; they were seen as worthy even then.
You complain about those who don't "contribute to society" but from what you've said, you have a successful business and have done well (like lots of us) through the good fortune of having your house explode in value. Personally, I don't count paying taxes as a great contribution to society. The teaching and medical professions are the ones who make the most contribution in my book.
PS - This is not my reason for leaving the UK, just something I find annoying.
Apr 18th 2005, 3:36 am
#108
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by worzel
I do know what you mean. But Australia has similar problems in my limited (2 months) experience and from what I have read.
Australians suffered the most from the Bali bombings. As a fellow member of the coalition that went into Iraq they are also a target. They also have a hotbed of anti-Western feeling close by in Indonesia etc.
Australians suffered the most from the Bali bombings. As a fellow member of the coalition that went into Iraq they are also a target. They also have a hotbed of anti-Western feeling close by in Indonesia etc.
Worzel
I know that there are problems all over the world but I no longer have the safety blanket that once came with living in the UK.
Apr 18th 2005, 4:25 am
#109
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by pako
I dont often see or hear of anyone leaving the UK for another country 'just for the fun of it, to have an adventure or just to try something new?
You may not hear some peoples points of view as some of us prefer to remain out of all the petty arguements and just take posts for what they are.....just peoples points of view...some of us are lurkers
[/QUOTE]It's good when you have family over there too. Good luck and I hope it all goes well for you and your family
Apr 18th 2005, 4:46 am
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Re: Are the Aussies fed up with Poms?
Originally Posted by jc_hoops
Not what I have found, got good Aus friends over here and in Aus.
As for the butt of the Aussie joke, you could say that about the Irish from an English prospective, just jokes at the end of the day ! I'm not sure, but the Irish might even have a few good ones about Scots, who knows !!
As for the "not liking the British", maybe it was something you was doing ?
As for the butt of the Aussie joke, you could say that about the Irish from an English prospective, just jokes at the end of the day ! I'm not sure, but the Irish might even have a few good ones about Scots, who knows !!
As for the "not liking the British", maybe it was something you was doing ?
I do think though the Aussies prefer to employ 'their own' rather than employ a British person. It wasn't just what I found, also expat friends I made whilst in Perth found it difficult to get work and we sometimes 'felt' if we were Aussie we would stand a better chance? Then again it was the same if we had children. I was asked time and time again at interviews if I had children..Why I wanted to ask, does it make me unemployable????
Apr 18th 2005, 5:11 am
#111
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Re: fed up with uk
Why are Brits so negative about their own country? Yes, there are problems, but many of them are due to the success of the country, especially the economy, making it TOO popular. .
. Why can't Brits be more proud of what we have like the Aussies? The negativity rubs off on us all and brings us all down.
. Why can't Brits be more proud of what we have like the Aussies? The negativity rubs off on us all and brings us all down.
Apr 18th 2005, 8:28 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Blimey, never seen as many handbags in one place
Apr 18th 2005, 9:19 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by sackofspuds
"So long kids, have a nice life. Hopefully I'll be able to afford to visit you once every couple of years. Hope you can do the same. Sorry I won't be there for you, but I couldn't resist moving to Oz and buying a house for cash."
Call me sentimental, but I'd rather not be saying that to my kids in 10 or 15 years time. That's what I fear would occur if I went back to Oz.
Call me sentimental, but I'd rather not be saying that to my kids in 10 or 15 years time. That's what I fear would occur if I went back to Oz.
If it was just us on our own we would be staying here where I have a decent job. We`re going back as the best thing for family life.
People are so *****ing quick to jump in with judgements on this f*king forum without knowing or asking about the facts.
Apr 18th 2005, 9:41 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by hooperhome
I wasn't going to contribute either to this thread but anyway.....
I am not particularly negative about the UK but I cannot wait to leave. We have got it pretty good over here. But to have it pretty good we have to work all hours running our own business and to do that we seem to be missing out on our young family growing so quickly. We want to spend time with our children and I know that a new life down under will give us that. In some respect we will benefit from the soaring house prices and a business that has become a nightmare in that our sales of house and business will give us a head start when we reach Australia.
However there are some things that concern me:-
Up till a couple of years ago I would have also said that we live in one of the safest countries. However I now have my doubts. Who knows what is round the corner after we pallied up with America!
I also feel now that the lay-abouts in this country are the ones that are benefitting. In some cases I can understand why they don't want to do anything or succeed. You can get so much with family tax credit and child tax credit that there is not much incentive to contribute to society when they will just give it to you anyway. Sometimes it seems that the more successful you are the more you are penalised. In successful, I don't just mean financially but being an honest and up-standing member of the community. What I am trying to say is that this country is an easy ride for those that want it, only it's all the good people that are paying for it.
Am I alone in my thoughts....?
I am not particularly negative about the UK but I cannot wait to leave. We have got it pretty good over here. But to have it pretty good we have to work all hours running our own business and to do that we seem to be missing out on our young family growing so quickly. We want to spend time with our children and I know that a new life down under will give us that. In some respect we will benefit from the soaring house prices and a business that has become a nightmare in that our sales of house and business will give us a head start when we reach Australia.
However there are some things that concern me:-
Up till a couple of years ago I would have also said that we live in one of the safest countries. However I now have my doubts. Who knows what is round the corner after we pallied up with America!
I also feel now that the lay-abouts in this country are the ones that are benefitting. In some cases I can understand why they don't want to do anything or succeed. You can get so much with family tax credit and child tax credit that there is not much incentive to contribute to society when they will just give it to you anyway. Sometimes it seems that the more successful you are the more you are penalised. In successful, I don't just mean financially but being an honest and up-standing member of the community. What I am trying to say is that this country is an easy ride for those that want it, only it's all the good people that are paying for it.
Am I alone in my thoughts....?
What do you intend on doing for a living that will make your life easier?
Apr 18th 2005, 9:47 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by kirsty&al
Hello,
This one got me thinking a bit. I have previously heard (but never verified) that approximately 25% of kiwis and up to 30% of Irish (ROI) live abroad so 1/20th didn't sound too bad. I then started wondering what the figures might be for the UK. I came across a couple of links quoting the FCO as saying (in 2002) that there are 15 million Britons living overseas, or approximately 20%.
See http://fpc.org.uk/articles/194 for more details - there are other links as well.
Yours astounded
Alistair
This one got me thinking a bit. I have previously heard (but never verified) that approximately 25% of kiwis and up to 30% of Irish (ROI) live abroad so 1/20th didn't sound too bad. I then started wondering what the figures might be for the UK. I came across a couple of links quoting the FCO as saying (in 2002) that there are 15 million Britons living overseas, or approximately 20%.
See http://fpc.org.uk/articles/194 for more details - there are other links as well.
Yours astounded
Alistair
Half my life I have been one of the overseas Brits.
Apr 18th 2005, 9:49 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by Merlot
Blimey, never seen as many handbags in one place
Anya.
Apr 18th 2005, 9:56 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by Soi Oz
A word to the wise.... leave attitudes like this at home if you want to get along with people in Oz. Aussies are pretty sensitive to comments like those. No history? Tell that to the original inhabitants. No culture? Of course there's bloody culture! It just doesn't revolve around old buildings, art galleries, dingy pubs or museums.....(i.e. it isn't the same culture you left) I've been hearing immigrants from the UK say stuff like that for 20 years and its wearing very thin. Strangely enough, I've never heard any Italian, Greek, Slav, Vietnamese, Chinese.... etc immigrants say the same.If you're going to Oz with the attitude that you will build a better life and you have something to contribute to society then great, you will make a lot of friends. If you're immigrating so you can 'take' a better life then think twice. Australia isn't perfect, you need to work at life there too. Grrrr..
Now, calming down a little and changing the subject slightly... don't underestimate the effects of 'culture shock'. From personal experience, it really kicks in around the two year mark and can really get you down.
Soi Oz.
There is culture here but the cultured do cringe at the dominance of sport in recreational activity.
Apr 18th 2005, 9:58 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by anya4oz
Yeah - should we put 'em all in a big pile in the middle & start dancing round them, eh Merlot...
Apr 18th 2005, 10:01 am
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Re: Are the Aussies fed up with Poms?
Originally Posted by janeyray
I made some good Aussie friends too, two I email regularly and will remain good friends. I suppose you get 'strange' people anywhere in the world.
I do think though the Aussies prefer to employ 'their own' rather than employ a British person. It wasn't just what I found, also expat friends I made whilst in Perth found it difficult to get work and we sometimes 'felt' if we were Aussie we would stand a better chance? Then again it was the same if we had children. I was asked time and time again at interviews if I had children..Why I wanted to ask, does it make me unemployable????
I do think though the Aussies prefer to employ 'their own' rather than employ a British person. It wasn't just what I found, also expat friends I made whilst in Perth found it difficult to get work and we sometimes 'felt' if we were Aussie we would stand a better chance? Then again it was the same if we had children. I was asked time and time again at interviews if I had children..Why I wanted to ask, does it make me unemployable????
Apr 18th 2005, 10:14 am
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Re: fed up with uk
Originally Posted by anya4oz
Yeah - should we put 'em all in a big pile in the middle & start dancing round them, eh Merlot...?
Anya.
Anya.
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