Land of opportunity...
#226
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Re: Land of opportunity...
Sure it does, because it allows consumers to acquire goods more cheaply from abroad than they could if they were sourced at home. They increase their consumption of their goods accordingly, which increases GDP and keep domestic inflation rates low. Their purchasing power increases thanks to the labor arbitrage achieved from the imports.
If I buy a shoe from Walmart made in China, it is subtracted from GDP. If some component of that shoe were made in the US, then that subtracts less from GDP, because there was an intermediate export of that material from the US.
A trade deficit by itself does not allow consumers to acquire goods more cheaply. All a trade deficit means is that you buy more than you produce. There can various reasons for that including an overvalued currency, gov't overspending, strong consumption relative to rest of the world, no export base, etc. There are very poor countries w/ trade deficits, and rich ones.
The alternatives to importing these goods would be to produce more of them domestically at higher prices (higher labor rates), which would necessarily reduce consumption and the business infrastructure that imports and retails them. US businesses achieve growth by selling these imports, which adds to GDP.
NX=Savings-Investment
So if you save more than you invest, you will have a trade surplus and vice-versa.
"Booming" is a relative term. US exports clearly cannot keep apace with the US appetite for imports, obviously, otherwise the US wouldn't attempt to support such a massive trade deficit. That trade deficit that can only be supported through foreign investment (read: debt.)
The weakening dollar and soaring commodity prices suggest that the system is cracking. Only a textbook idealist could believe that a weak dollar is good for the United States. The US is import dependent and has no basis for creating a trade balance.
A strong currency is what brought down the British Empire into its 1920's Great Depression, which was due to Churchill's foolish idea of backing the sterling w/ gold. This made it extremely overvalued and killed much of its industry. In the 1980-1985 era, the very strong dollar resulted in the result of hundreds of thousands of lost manufacturing jobs
If the dollar continues to lose value at this pace, there is no reason to believe that it will continue to remain a reserve currency over the long run, as no foreign treasury will wish to stay heavily invested in a rapidly depreciating asset.
This has happened before. In 1995, the dollar was extremely weak vs. the European currencies to a point where there was market intervention. In the early 80's the opposite was true. This is a cyle that is clearly viewed from a historical perspective. Dance of the Dollar, as they call it.
I also believe that commodity prices will come down, as global demand slows.
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Re: Land of opportunity...
The people you talk about isn't the majority. The US has a huge middle class, which is the most well off materially. Not saying there are no problems, but you just say things w/o thinking.
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This means that if a firm is located in one country but manufactures goods in another, those goods are counted as part of the foreign country's GDP, not the firm's home country. For example, BMW is a German company but cars manufactured in the United States are counted as part of the United States GDP.
I can't be bothered to go and find where you sourced your other cut and pastes from. Is there any original work in it?
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(Yes, I understood that.) You are right, I'm sure that's what he meant.
The only problem with that argument is that the US is still running enormous trade deficits, and the devaluation of the dollar has done little to change this.
There is no point at which the US dollar can be weak enough to create a trade balance. We would have to lose our thirst for imported oil and dramatically reduce our consumption of imports to fix it. Or else, we can start paying US workers what the Chinese are paying theirs (something that we attempt to accomplish with illegal migrant labor, but I digress.)
The only problem with that argument is that the US is still running enormous trade deficits, and the devaluation of the dollar has done little to change this.
There is no point at which the US dollar can be weak enough to create a trade balance. We would have to lose our thirst for imported oil and dramatically reduce our consumption of imports to fix it. Or else, we can start paying US workers what the Chinese are paying theirs (something that we attempt to accomplish with illegal migrant labor, but I digress.)
There is no rule which says that a country needs a balance. If a country can keep their surpluses/deficits to reasonable levels, there is no problem.
Last edited by Fonseca33; Jul 20th 2008 at 9:52 pm.
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Professor Plagiarist, perhaps?
I can't be bothered to go and find where you sourced your other cut and pastes from. Is there any original work in it?
I can't be bothered to go and find where you sourced your other cut and pastes from. Is there any original work in it?
#235
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Professors (and silly adolescents who pretend to be other things on the web) are most welcome to use others' material in their argument. The normal method is to cite the work you use in your argument. But you'd know that, wouldn't you -- you being a professor and all that!
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Re: Land of opportunity...
Professors (and silly adolescents who pretend to be other things on the web) are most welcome to use others' material in their argument. The normal method is to cite the work you use in your argument. But you'd know that, wouldn't you -- you being a professor and all that!
Last edited by Fonseca33; Jul 20th 2008 at 10:01 pm.
#239
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I'm Economics Professor at UF, and I think I know (after years, and after hundreds of publications) what I am talking about. What I said is also common knowledge, so I am surprised somebody doubted it.
Here is a direct link:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba475/
Here is a direct link:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba475/
Your original claim was that you were an economics professor. Now you admit you're not quite there. Most of us find it incredulous that you would even be close to achieving this exalted position.
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Re: Land of opportunity...
Avg. Earnings in the US for a full time worker is $53,000, according to the CPS. That's 20x China, probably, when you include all the rural workers.