User Name

It undermines the EU finger waving and lecturing. You say the EU is all about human dignity, and it turns out that the EU comprises a member state country with prison system guaranteed to boost suicide rates, there are probably more deaths in French prisons than state sanctioned executions in the USA. The French prisons service has had this problem now for some years, so by continued neglect of basic human rights in its prisons it is complicit in the off-the-page death count among its prison population.

The EU is also complicit because it has failed for some years now to act against an appalling inhuman degrading prison system in one of its member countries.

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CarlM

(Are you emailing this stuff to us from your cell in a a French prison by any chance??)

User Name

No, from a very cold wet room aboard the bombed Greenpeace flagship, the Rainbow Warrior.

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Manc

You need to get Sue to change your name to Papillon

Wintersong

Completely off topic, but I'd be totally gobsmacked if any science teacher had ever told you that the force of gravity was EVER 9.8m/s/s. They shouldn't be teaching science.

CaliforniaBride

Just wondering if we should execute the CEO's of the tobacco companies then? They are responsible for far more deaths per year.

peacelover

Now there is a good point.

CaliforniaBride

Oh for heaven's sake. Do you people ever read the new testament? The new bloke, Jesus, put the kybosh on all that.

And on the basis of the old law you are talking about if you ran over someone's child and killed them then your child would be executed. So when do Tookie's parents get fried then?

Wintersong

Ummm... how?

You're saying that the child doesn't count as "another"? If that's the case, why shouldn't you suffer the same fate as that child's aunt, and have your niece/nephew executed? Or that child's godfather...

Thydney

Off the page is hardly a real interpretaion of the facts. In Canada their suicide rate is 10 times the national average. They state most of those inside are suffering mental illness hence the higher death rate, prison is for criminals not the mentally ill, a problem facing the UK prisons. They have rats and roaches don't all jails? and even hospitals. As for it being worse than the USA it's 43/100000 in jail and 14/100000 in State pens.(US DoJ) The National rate is 11/100000 WHO give a global figure of 14/100000 got bored looking for the frog rate but I'm sure its far too low.
Whilst the conditions are poor would you have them in 4 star hotels?
Finally....the good bit it's one less Frenchman.

CaliforniaBride

Tookie killed someone's parents so therefore his parents would have been executed under the biblical law previously quoted.



I don't understand your post and it also seems to be directed at something I cannot find in my post.

User Name

The suicide rate in the French penal system is the highest among all EU member states' penal systems, some six times higher. I don't know why you are quoting from Canadian civilian stats. The French penal system is has a suicide rate is off-the-page, unless you feel a six times suicide rate is not off-the-page.

Wintersong

The biblical law quoted says that anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return. Tookie killed someone and should therefore suffer the same injury in return. His parents would not be executed under that biblical law, since they did not maim another.

You chose to illustrate your point by saying that if you ran over someone's child, your child would be killed in order to injure you in the same way as you had injured the other person. Your logic is flawed because if that child had a brother, they would have lost a sibling and therefore so should you. If that child had an aunt, you should also lose a niece/nephew; if that child had a best friend, you should also lose a best friend etc etc.

The biblical law is simple - the person that you harmed in the hypothetical case above was the child, not their parents. Therefore you shouldn't lose a child, you should lose your own life in the same way as you had taken the life of the child.

Hope that clarifies what I was saying!

Thydney

The quote about Canada is their prison stats and no six times is not off the page especially amongst those with mental illness.

Angry White Pyjamas

The scumbag is pushing now up daisies so this whole thread is a moot point.