execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Dec 14th 2005, 5:03 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Rete
And you name me any hardline criminal who is interested in rehabilitation and being an integral productive part of society. I wasn't talking about white collar crime here. Although lets face it, if white collar criminals had the chance to do it again after they are released, wanna bet they would. And I wasn't talking about criminals who are mentally insane.
And yes I truly believe that about every single hardline criminal in the US or the world. You don't like my opinion, then don't like it and feel free to share your own with the world.
And yes I truly believe that about every single hardline criminal in the US or the world. You don't like my opinion, then don't like it and feel free to share your own with the world.
Even if you had it's still an unsupportable generalisation.
Dec 14th 2005, 5:20 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Rete
Then I would fight for my freedom through the legal system as Tookie did and then have to accept the inevitable.
Karma you know.
Karma you know.
Then say "Aw shucks, never mind - at least the guilty are coming with me??"
Dec 14th 2005, 5:45 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Rete
Murders like "Tookie" do not place a value on human life so why should we place a value on his.
Dec 14th 2005, 5:47 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Screw him..he was scum and regardless of anyones personal angst over the death penalty he was undeniably a murdering scumbag. Now he's a dead murdering scumbag. The world just got a little brighter.
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Dec 14th 2005, 5:53 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
The world just got a little brighter.
And violence breeds violence!
Dec 14th 2005, 5:56 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
If, Tookie hadn't have been caught, he would have killed more people - fact
If since being incarcerated, he tried to warn people against gang culture (I dunno if he did or not) But suppose he did, and his work since being in Prison helped in some way then I would say keep him alive.
Not for his sake. But for the sake of a possible 4 year old girl caught in the crossfire of a future driveby.
The State shouldn't have kept him alive for his sake as he was a murdering arse.. Just the sake of possible future innocents taken due to gang warfare.
If since being incarcerated, he tried to warn people against gang culture (I dunno if he did or not) But suppose he did, and his work since being in Prison helped in some way then I would say keep him alive.
Not for his sake. But for the sake of a possible 4 year old girl caught in the crossfire of a future driveby.
The State shouldn't have kept him alive for his sake as he was a murdering arse.. Just the sake of possible future innocents taken due to gang warfare.
Dec 14th 2005, 5:59 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Manc
If, Tookie hadn't have been caught, he would have killed more people - fact
If since being incarcerated, he tried to warn people against gang culture (I dunno if he did or not) But suppose he did, and his work since being in Prison helped in some way then I would say keep him alive.
Not for his sake. But for the sake of a possible 4 year old girl caught in the crossfire of a future driveby.
The State shouldn't have kept him alive for his sake as he was a murdering arse.. Just the sake of possible future innocents taken due to gang warfare.
If since being incarcerated, he tried to warn people against gang culture (I dunno if he did or not) But suppose he did, and his work since being in Prison helped in some way then I would say keep him alive.
Not for his sake. But for the sake of a possible 4 year old girl caught in the crossfire of a future driveby.
The State shouldn't have kept him alive for his sake as he was a murdering arse.. Just the sake of possible future innocents taken due to gang warfare.
Dec 14th 2005, 6:00 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by fatbrit
And a little more violent!
And violence breeds violence!
And violence breeds violence!
Dec 14th 2005, 6:05 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Guelder Rose
Didn't he write a book about the dangers of gang culture? That book will be available for reading whether he is alive or dead ... and maybe the fact that he is dead will serve as a better warning against gang culture than if he had been kept alive because of it.
Dec 14th 2005, 6:10 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Dec 14th 2005, 6:18 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Ray
Dec 14th 2005, 6:27 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Guelder Rose
And now that he is dead there won't be any chance of the next murderer thinking that all they have to do is write a book to escape execution!
Dec 14th 2005, 6:36 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Debatable. If you attempted to factor in the potential violence he himself could have caused either directly within the prison community or indirectly by the use of his gang networks outside I would have to say that on balance the world is possibly a little less violent with his execution.
And what about its effects on society? Support for the death penalty says far more about its advocates than it does about either the murderer or the victim. We live in a country where violence has bred violence, and it has become acceptable. Just look around you!
Dec 14th 2005, 6:43 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by fatbrit
And what about its effects on society? Support for the death penalty says far more about its advocates than it does about either the murderer or the victim. We live in a country where violence has bred violence, and it has become acceptable. Just look around you!
Dec 14th 2005, 6:46 am
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Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by fatbrit
And what about its effects on society? Support for the death penalty says far more about its advocates than it does about either the murderer or the victim. We live in a country where violence has bred violence, and it has become acceptable. Just look around you!
The problem with wishy-washy liberal thinking is that it doesn't take into account that there are fundamentally bad people in this world who don't care about being fair or kind to others, so why should we show fairness or kindness to them - no amount of appeasement will ever change them - it will just encourage them to take more and more from the rest of society.
Its a shame that people with views such as yourself end up damaging the cause of people in this world who really need help by lumping them in with second rate human beings who deserve all the punishment that they are getting and then some.
Don't forget to pay your Amnesty International subs next year fb
