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Old Jan 24th 2017, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Wintersong
.... [Dear liberal friends: we need to talk about Donald Trump.]

https://youtu.be/Fk8DDFE8v3I
Sweet!

A beautiful summary, I wish I had written that.
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Old Jan 24th 2017, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I don't think that's the case. It wasn't "pro-life women" ... it was pro-life organizations. If they were planning to march as an organization, they were asked not to come. It seems to me that makes sense. White people are welcome at civil rights marches - the KKK ... not so much.
There are people in my own community who were told they weren't welcome at our local march if they held pro-life opinions (and are still being told that, on our city's FB page).

I think the main problem is that the whole thing just morphed and became so huge, that organisers at the local level may have had entirely different goals to those on the national level. That's why I don't believe it can be pigeonholed into a single specific, narrow cause.

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Sweet!

A beautiful summary, I wish I had written that.
It would be nice if you would consider some of the very real fears of those on the other side of the fence as well, though.

Sorry... [/skewering]
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I don't think that's the case. It wasn't "pro-life women" ... it was pro-life organizations. If they were planning to march as an organization, they were asked not to come. It seems to me that makes sense. White people are welcome at civil rights marches - the KKK ... not so much.
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It would be nice if you would consider some of the very real fears of those on the other side of the fence as well, though. ....
But that in a nutshell is where the political divide has come from. Liberals treat those who don't agree with them like ยง4!t, their opinions are just "bigoted nonsense". As Hillary herself put it, half of Trump supporters are "deplorable" .... So that's what, 20+% of voters! I can only assume that Hillary didn't think she was insulting quite so many people, but it's still a curious way to appeal to supporters of the opposing part to switch their allegiance. Bernie had a massively better grasp of the realities many Americans face today.

While many benefitted from ACA coverage, others had their existing policies withdrawn and/or premiums jacked up through the roof, proving President Obama's "if you like your policy you can keep it" to be the biggest lie since Bush Sr's "watch my lips, no new taxes".
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But that in a nutshell is where the political divide has come from. Liberals treat those who don't agree with them like ยง4!t, their opinions are just "bigoted nonsense".
As though that kind of characterisation is the preserve of one side of the political spectrum...
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It would be nice if you would consider some of the very real fears of those on the other side of the fence as well, though.

Sorry... [/skewering]
Antagonizing the Muslim community by moving the US embassy to Israel won't provoke any more terrorists attacks?

Moving the US military into the South China sea won't cause any problems with China?

Allowing the fastest growing economy to move in and replace the US in TPP, won't have consequences?
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Antagonizing the Muslim community by moving the US embassy to Israel won't provoke any more terrorists attacks?

Moving the US military into the South China sea won't cause any problems with China?

Allowing the fastest growing economy to move in and replace the US in TPP, won't have consequences?
At least two of those questions contain factual errors and/or a lack of understanding of the issue at stake.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
At least two of those questions contain factual errors and/or a lack of understanding of the issue at stake.
Which two are wrong?
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Originally Posted by mrken30
Which two are wrong?
The US already has an embassy in Israel.

I was wrong about the TPP.

I don't know what you mean about the South China Sea - is there some news I have missed?
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I meant moving the embassy to Jerusalem, of course they have an embassy in Israel. My mistake.

There have been a few articles about the South China Sea, here is one.

China hits back at US over South China Sea claims - BBC News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-being-clear/

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I wonder if South Carolinians are more truthful, time will tell.

Trump Budget Nominee All But Admits Obama Got Bigger Inauguration Crowd Than Trump | The Huffington Post
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Good grief. I do hope the guy asking the questions is seeing a doctor.
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Originally Posted by mrken30
I don't think China will bow down to Trump. I'm sure this will be a shock to Trump that someone does not does as he says. He is not everyone's boss.

China party paper says no 'provocation' can stop its military drills | Reuters
Trump wouldn't bow down to the Chinese either and the US navy presence is pretty strong in that part of the world. Absent an actual war I think there could be an incident sooner or later, exchange of fire, brief skirmish, something like that
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
But that in a nutshell is where the political divide has come from. Liberals treat those who don't agree with them like ยง4!t, their opinions are just "bigoted nonsense". As Hillary herself put it, half of Trump supporters are "deplorable" .... So that's what, 20+% of voters! I can only assume that Hillary didn't think she was insulting quite so many people, but it's still a curious way to appeal to supporters of the opposing part to switch their allegiance. Bernie had a massively better grasp of the realities many Americans face today.

While many benefitted from ACA coverage, others had their existing policies withdrawn and/or premiums jacked up through the roof, proving President Obama's "if you like your policy you can keep it" to be the biggest lie since Bush Sr's "watch my lips, no new taxes".
And you can't see that it cuts both ways?

Unless you think 'sheeple, 'loony lefties', 'libtards' and so many others are simply terms of endearment, of course.

Yes, Clinton insulted Trump supporters. Are you forgetting all those times that Trump encouraged violence towards protesters?

The political divide hasn't come from one side and one side alone. We all stopped listening to each other, and we all stopped trying to find common ground in favour of hurling insults at each other in internet comment sections. Both sides are just as guilty. Both sides have valid points to make, but nobody wants to hear them any more: we'd rather just try to drown each other out.
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