zzrmark

That is what I thought last night, as it can take a while in a large attendance situation to suss out who went where and in what condition. By the next day though I would expect a number of confirmed and hospitalised, the 'wait and see's' are usually announced as updates, no? Without seeming too brusque, this isn't a situation like a mudslide or apartment collapse and it's tricky knowing the numbers because of rubble etc. Once you've cleared the mob, it shouldn't take too long apportioning loose body parts with remains and ascertaining a firm figure.
Perhaps different criteria apply when you exceed a certain number listed as critical, 11 in this case?

caretaker

There were what seemed an inordinate number of people with cardiac problems, so possibly some could have left and then keeled over, but it seems more likely they might have some hovering at death's door. 50,000 is a stupid number of people to jam together on the ground.

Nutmegger

Cardiac arrest results from being crushed, so the number doesn't seem particularly large when so many people were caught up in a stampede.

Jerseygirl

Perhaps the powers that be will stipulate seating only at concerts, as they did after the Hillsborough disaster.

Giantaxe

One can hope so. This really does feel like a less deadly version of the Hillsborough disaster, thirty two years on.

DaveLovesDee

It's nice to see an asshole held accountable, even if he is only 16.

Teen driver who plowed into bicyclists faces 6 felony charges, authorities say

Hiro11

I can say that this case has become a bit of a cause celebre in the cycling community. This type of dangerous driving followed by complete inaction from the police is all too common these days and something I've seen personally time and time again. This case was particularly outrageous: this kid deliberately drilled six people on the road causing injuries serious enough to require life flights...and the police LET HIM DRIVE HOME WITHOUT CHARGES. Talk to any cyclist and they have a similar story.

I've been riding on the road since the late eighties. I ride about 200 miles a week these days. I know what I'm doing on the road: riding at off hours, picking routes that avoid traffic, staying out of the way in intersections, staying visible, signaling my intent, using lights etc... and still about once a week someone deliberately and dangerously tries to intimidate or kill me on the road. The police are less than worthless in these situations as then encourage this behavior through their inaction.

Everyone has a story about that time that cyclist did something dumb. Many people love to immediately recount these stories any time cycling is mentioned. The mere sight of lycra and helmets immediate triggers many people's insecurities. Lots of drivers like to believe they know better than experienced cyclists how to ride a bike and will helpfully offer "advice" such as "you should illegally ride on sidewalks... at 25 mph... in a group". Through their actions, police are revealed to believe that road cyclists as entitled jerks who deserve what's coming to them, despite what any law actually says. After years of this, you start to get outraged and angry. Stories like what happened in Waller, TX enrage you because you've seen the exact same thing happen yourself and you recognize the pattern. Nothing is going to change until more people agree that roads aren't the sole province of cars and that being in a car doesn't grant you special privileges.

Lion in Winter

Nothing is going to change until this society lowers its levels of violence and aggression, and stops accepting them as methods of expression, as ways to "resolve" disagreement, or to "be safe" when they feel threatened.

Don't ask me how or when that will happen though.

SultanOfSwing

I'm getting really sick of the whole "you wronged me in an arbitrary, self-defined way, which means I now have an excuse to assault you" attitude that prevails all over the place.

Humans have an unsettling fetish for revenge that makes me wish I was never accidentally thrust into this neo feudal hellscape in the first place because I can't see any will for that to change.

Not that it's specific to Americans, it's endemic to imperialism so the Brits, Spanish, French, etc., were at it long before they were even a thing.

Nutek

Imperialism is fine when it's done properly. I mean sure, of course the French are gonna give it a bad name. I mean, they're French. And you cant trust the Spanish, that goes without saying. But good, British imperialism? That's a step too far. You'll be dissing the Empire next if you aren't careful, and then where would we be?

SultanOfSwing

Is that from something because I'm drawing a blank

Giantaxe

Even in a very liberal city like San Francisco I see this attitude. And woe betide you each and every time bike lanes are added or parking spots removed for bike sharing etc.

Lion in Winter

If it isn't, it ought to be.

But yeah. It's primitive and we don't seem to be making nearly the amount of progress in changing it that we should.

SultanOfSwing

Yes, it was very good.

We're primitive. We screw everything up in the end. Any promising new technology is either weaponized or privatized and I'm honestly sick of breathing in and out at this point because everything I loved about space or science growing up has been slowly eroded into some gross, misshapen monument to greed.

Lion in Winter

Well I suppose that was always there. It made us successful, in a manner of speaking, as a species. Dominant, anyway. We've just used our giant brains to be destructive. Advances have been made, too, but using space for weapons instead of to save the human (and other) species should be right out. The Final Frontier should be a place to draw a line.