WTF in America
Dec 4th 2021, 9:46 pm
#9616
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Re: WTF in America
It's these emotive words like "hiding" that make it so hard to know. And "fugitive" earlier. I can well imagine that they wanted to be off the map, away from hotel staff who will call journalists. I assume the person who gave them access was a relative or friend. The authorities seem to be selecting words that have the connotation to turn the public against them, which seems unnecessary as I think we the public are against them enough already. $4,000 seems a trivial amount for two to go on the run with.
Maybe $4,000 was allthey had immediate access to?
Dec 4th 2021, 9:47 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Although "unconscionable", "criminal", and "egregious" have been from the prosecution, which is perhaps more understandable, as that is their job..
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Dec 4th 2021, 11:04 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Police and authorities often use more neutral language. Its notably absent here. neutrality Is usually part of the process.
Although "unconscionable", "criminal", and "egregious" have been from the prosecution, which is perhaps more understandable, as that is their job..
Although "unconscionable", "criminal", and "egregious" have been from the prosecution, which is perhaps more understandable, as that is their job..
Dec 4th 2021, 11:35 pm
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Re: WTF in America
We live in a world where children have to learn tactics to avoid being slaughtered at school.
Dec 4th 2021, 11:49 pm
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Re: WTF in America
If I was a shooter I would go for the outside windows, however I noted on some of the phone uploads from Oxford that the alleged shooter was in the corridor claiming to be police to try to entice people to leave the room, The word "Bro" was interpreted as a red flag by students and they fled through the windows. It is unknown if it was the shooter or if it was the police, but if it was the shooter he chose to stay in the corridor. So should one go with the precedent of what shooters have done previously, being inside, using the corridors, trying to get in to barricaded doors; or assume the next shooter will have a think about it, see that being outside in many instances will give a much clearer view of rooms (door windows get covered by paper in the event of a lock down, exterior windows don't, and in practical terms cant be covered, because of area.), easily accessible, and have a corralled group of people who have blocked their own means of escape.
Dec 5th 2021, 12:47 am
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Re: WTF in America
I am a little skeptical of the barricading the door, as it will be an impediment to getting out when the shooter goes outside.
If I was a shooter I would go for the outside windows, however I noted on some of the phone uploads from Oxford that the alleged shooter was in the corridor claiming to be police to try to entice people to leave the room, The word "Bro" was interpreted as a red flag by students and they fled through the windows. It is unknown if it was the shooter or if it was the police, but if it was the shooter he chose to stay in the corridor. So should one go with the precedent of what shooters have done previously, being inside, using the corridors, trying to get in to barricaded doors; or assume the next shooter will have a think about it, see that being outside in many instances will give a much clearer view of rooms (door windows get covered by paper in the event of a lock down, exterior windows don't, and in practical terms cant be covered, because of area.), easily accessible, and have a corralled group of people who have blocked their own means of escape.
If I was a shooter I would go for the outside windows, however I noted on some of the phone uploads from Oxford that the alleged shooter was in the corridor claiming to be police to try to entice people to leave the room, The word "Bro" was interpreted as a red flag by students and they fled through the windows. It is unknown if it was the shooter or if it was the police, but if it was the shooter he chose to stay in the corridor. So should one go with the precedent of what shooters have done previously, being inside, using the corridors, trying to get in to barricaded doors; or assume the next shooter will have a think about it, see that being outside in many instances will give a much clearer view of rooms (door windows get covered by paper in the event of a lock down, exterior windows don't, and in practical terms cant be covered, because of area.), easily accessible, and have a corralled group of people who have blocked their own means of escape.
Dec 5th 2021, 1:56 am
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Re: WTF in America
It's these emotive words like "hiding" that make it so hard to know. And "fugitive" earlier. I can well imagine that they wanted to be off the map, away from hotel staff who will call journalists. I assume the person who gave them access was a relative or friend. The authorities seem to be selecting words that have the connotation to turn the public against them, which seems unnecessary as I think we the public are against them enough already. $4,000 seems a trivial amount for two to go on the run with.
Dec 5th 2021, 2:23 am
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Re: WTF in America
Listening to how the arrest happened, it does look like they were not going to surrender, I wonder what their plan, if any, was?
Dec 5th 2021, 2:55 am
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Re: WTF in America
I am a little skeptical of the barricading the door, as it will be an impediment to getting out when the shooter goes outside.
If I was a shooter I would go for the outside windows, however I noted on some of the phone uploads from Oxford that the alleged shooter was in the corridor claiming to be police to try to entice people to leave the room, The word "Bro" was interpreted as a red flag by students and they fled through the windows. It is unknown if it was the shooter or if it was the police, but if it was the shooter he chose to stay in the corridor. So should one go with the precedent of what shooters have done previously, being inside, using the corridors, trying to get in to barricaded doors; or assume the next shooter will have a think about it, see that being outside in many instances will give a much clearer view of rooms (door windows get covered by paper in the event of a lock down, exterior windows don't, and in practical terms cant be covered, because of area.), easily accessible, and have a corralled group of people who have blocked their own means of escape.
If I was a shooter I would go for the outside windows, however I noted on some of the phone uploads from Oxford that the alleged shooter was in the corridor claiming to be police to try to entice people to leave the room, The word "Bro" was interpreted as a red flag by students and they fled through the windows. It is unknown if it was the shooter or if it was the police, but if it was the shooter he chose to stay in the corridor. So should one go with the precedent of what shooters have done previously, being inside, using the corridors, trying to get in to barricaded doors; or assume the next shooter will have a think about it, see that being outside in many instances will give a much clearer view of rooms (door windows get covered by paper in the event of a lock down, exterior windows don't, and in practical terms cant be covered, because of area.), easily accessible, and have a corralled group of people who have blocked their own means of escape.
Paper to cover windows of interior classroom access doors? Not how it's done in the South. Look at the floor of the classroom and you'll see tape on the floor corresponding with the line of vision afforded from the corridor outside the classroom. A teacher can then coral their students out of sight line.
Both the counties in FL and SC that my wife has taught in require doors to be locked during class sessions and unlocked only to allow passage in and out. Getting shot through exterior windows isn't an issue in windowless classrooms but it is when the A/C packs up in 90F heat!!
In yesterday's lockdown, the teacher in the classroom next to my wife's was pissed because his teaching assistant would not shut up and talked continuously for four hours - fairly pointless giving the impression of an unoccupied room if some garrulous twat won't shut up!
Unfortunately, scaring our kids shitless with repeated shooter drills and turning our schools into partitioned fortresses is not going to change until society collectively decides that the freedom to live is greater than the freedom for every Tom and Dickless Harriet to arm themselves, pretty much unchecked, to the teeth.
I had do a bit of a WTF double take this morning. An advert on the radio spreading the Christmas message of peace and love....sponsored by none other than a large local gun dealer, range, etc. The irony.
Dec 5th 2021, 1:11 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Thomas Massie and his family. He’s a US congressman from Kentucky. The “own the libs!” smirk seems obligatory these days, among the republicans..
Dec 5th 2021, 3:35 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Luckily it's not her first rodeo but this semester has been a bit of trip down memory lane for her, it's been a while since she's had to deal with the kind of things you find at the more 'lively' schools. Last week she had to write up a couple of boys who were simulating a BJ in class and it's the second lockdown this semester (escaped fugitive last time!).
She did say that the kids were scared shitless and at least one staff member freaked out, she was more miffed because she was the one who relayed the airdrop details from the kids to an administrator and got stuck minding the kids who were in the canteen at the time, ie a good number of them, while her lunch and phone were in her classroom - miffed because no bags were checked until almost four hours after the incident started.
The kid transferred in from a private 'no rules' whackjob school and won't be coming back, I'm not sure if that's for the schools welfare or the perpetrator's - he was responsible for the cancelling of two sports events and a music do, things tend to get a bit lairy here in the South when you start messing with their sports...
She did say that the kids were scared shitless and at least one staff member freaked out, she was more miffed because she was the one who relayed the airdrop details from the kids to an administrator and got stuck minding the kids who were in the canteen at the time, ie a good number of them, while her lunch and phone were in her classroom - miffed because no bags were checked until almost four hours after the incident started.
The kid transferred in from a private 'no rules' whackjob school and won't be coming back, I'm not sure if that's for the schools welfare or the perpetrator's - he was responsible for the cancelling of two sports events and a music do, things tend to get a bit lairy here in the South when you start messing with their sports...
However, I'm at a loss as to what "airdrop" means.
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Dec 5th 2021, 7:09 pm
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Dec 5th 2021, 7:23 pm
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Re: WTF in America
What is odd about these people, is that they are the group that consider the USA to be the greatest country ever created. At least that is what their words tell us. But the image tells us that they feel they are in a dystopian nightemare where they fear everything, and everyone.