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Old Apr 25th 2014, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Lothianlad
Well, let us all hope that Salmond will indeed bring new jobs to Scotland...lots and lots and lots of them....to replace lots and lots and lots of jobs which will be lost when some very influentiual major commercial concerns and business enterprises close down their Scottish bases and move down to England in the event of a "Yes" to Independence vote in Scotland on 18 Sep 14...as they have promised..or should I say threatened ...to do in the event of that happening.
Yes there will be a period of change of course.I think some of these companies threatening to leave are the same ones that threatened to leave around the time of the Devo vote in '98 and guess what,they are still there!
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
Yes there will be a period of change of course.I think some of these companies threatening to leave are the same ones that threatened to leave around the time of the Devo vote in '98 and guess what,they are still there!
I started out not caring one way or the other, but I'm leaning toward hoping the YES crowd get their way now. Just because the resulting chaotic fallout is going to be hilarious.
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
It doesnt matter what type of jobs just so long as its getting people work.
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Doesn't the assertion that there are going to be more jobs created post- independence sort of require backing up with some idea as to what those jobs are going to be, or where they are going to come from? I've seen a few suggestions about job losses - companies threatening to leave (and yes, I acknowledge that the threats may not be realized), military operations being closed etc - but precious little about job creation other than hope and wishful thinking.
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Nutek
I started out not caring one way or the other, but I'm leaning toward hoping the YES crowd get their way now. Just because the resulting chaotic fallout is going to be hilarious.
I think I said something similar 40 or 50 pages ago. I actually think that opening the vote to the whole of the UK may improves Salmonds chances Although I assume all this about English-born/Scottish-resident voters being key in the referendum is just paving the way for the inevitable whining and blaming Westminster if the No vote wins.
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 3:32 pm
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Doesn't the assertion that there are going to be more jobs created post- independence sort of require backing up with some idea as to what those jobs are going to be, or where they are going to come from? I've seen a few suggestions about job losses - companies threatening to leave (and yes, I acknowledge that the threats may not be realized), military operations being closed etc - but precious little about job creation other than hope and wishful thinking.
Maybe the Donald will come to our rescue and build a load of golf courses.
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Originally Posted by dunroving
Maybe the Donald will come to our rescue and build a load of golf courses.
On his way to Newcastle with a sack of coal?
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I see the latest claim from Salmond is that "the jobs market will improve."

The man is a numpty, living in dreamland. I have seen no concrete data on how independence would improve the business climate, yet there are many indications that independence would be disruptive, and as a businessman that concerns me.

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Meanwhile, Milliband has come with his troupe to Glasgow to tell us of his vision of the Future. You trust that lot, you need your head examined !
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Originally Posted by scot47
Meanwhile, Milliband has come with his troupe to Glasgow to tell us of his vision of the Future. You trust that lot, you need your head examined !
I'm an equal-opportunity hater of politicians, no matter what is their country of origin.
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I'm an equal-opportunity hater of politicians, no matter what is their country of origin.
Wise words.
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by dunroving
I'm an equal-opportunity hater of politicians, no matter what is their country of origin.
Do you vote?
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
..... all this about English-born/Scottish-resident voters ..... .
It's what happens when you try to carve out a country where there hasn't been an independent country in several hundred years.
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It's what happens when you try to carve out a country where there hasn't been an independent country in several hundred years.
I think that's why the UN position on it is that the entire country should get a say in any referendum, but that was legislated out of this situation by Westminster....
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
I think that's why the UN position on it is that the entire country should get a say in any referendum, but that was legislated out of this situation by Westminster....
Scotland is a separate country in its own right,we are just joined in an out of date union.
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Old Apr 25th 2014, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
Scotland is a separate country in its own right, .....
No, it isn't. It has been a part of a fully integrated government of the UK for four hundred years, apart from a few devolved powers in recent years, and a separate legal system.

Scotland has no currency, no economic management infrastructure, no border control, no defence forces, pretty much nothing that makes a country "a country", and the last time Scotland was a country, none of those things were really necessary.

I suspect that an independent Scotland's defence policy would be the same as Ireland's: "We'll do nothing because we know that the UK will not tolerate an enemy force establishing a beachhead on the same island as the UK."
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