Let's talk about cars
#121
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"In the first three months of 2013, Tesla sold 4,750 sedans while Mercedes sold 3,077 of the S-class, BMW sold 2,338 of the 7-series and Audi sent 1,462 A8s out of the dealership."
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130519937
#122
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Talking of hydrogen, what happened to the Honda FCX lease project in CA?
#123
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Re: Let's talk about cars
Here we go again...
"In the first three months of 2013, Tesla sold 4,750 sedans while Mercedes sold 3,077 of the S-class, BMW sold 2,338 of the 7-series and Audi sent 1,462 A8s out of the dealership."
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130519937
"In the first three months of 2013, Tesla sold 4,750 sedans while Mercedes sold 3,077 of the S-class, BMW sold 2,338 of the 7-series and Audi sent 1,462 A8s out of the dealership."
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130519937
Tesla sales during the second quarter are down 18% from the first quarter. We'll see how well they're selling in a year or two, once the initial round of diehard supporters -- the type of people who were willing to wait years for something that they hadn't even test-driven -- get their cars
#124
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Re: Let's talk about cars
I think it's still going but just restricted to California as far as fuel availability. I'd like to see it take off myself. It makes sense to use the most abundant element in the universe, after all
#127
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I suspect that the future is some sort of biomass or algae derived liquid fuel, either biomass alcohol or "synthetic gasoline" (though synthetic diesel is more likely as diesel engines are more tolerant of fuel with different combustion properties). This solution would solve both the energy density issue and the network infrastructure issue.
Last edited by Pulaski; Jul 10th 2013 at 10:19 am.
#128
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Are you unaware of the fact that Tesla spent four years creating a waiting list for the car, while the others did not?
Tesla sales during the second quarter are down 18% from the first quarter. We'll see how well they're selling in a year or two, once the initial round of diehard supporters -- the type of people who were willing to wait years for something that they hadn't even test-driven -- get their cars
Tesla sales during the second quarter are down 18% from the first quarter. We'll see how well they're selling in a year or two, once the initial round of diehard supporters -- the type of people who were willing to wait years for something that they hadn't even test-driven -- get their cars
#130
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Hydrogen has similar energy density issues as electric batteries, and also similar infrastructure issues with refueling sites (there are currently few and building a network will be massively expensive).
I suspect that the future is some sort of biomass or algae derived liquid fuel, either biomass alcohol or "synthetic gasoline" (though synthetic diesel is more likely as diesel engines are more tolerant of fuel with different combustion properties). This solution would solve both the energy density issue and the network infrastructure issue.
I suspect that the future is some sort of biomass or algae derived liquid fuel, either biomass alcohol or "synthetic gasoline" (though synthetic diesel is more likely as diesel engines are more tolerant of fuel with different combustion properties). This solution would solve both the energy density issue and the network infrastructure issue.
#131
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Conceptually, maybe, but you'd need to install a new high pressure tank and a completely different pumping system. Compared to, say, conversion to say E85, converting to supply hydrogen requires a lot if work, and until there is a market no one is going to want to commit to the expense, ..... and until there are convenient hydrogen suppliers no one is going to want to buy a hydrogen powered vehicle. At least with a plug-in electric you can charge your car at home.
Last edited by Pulaski; Jul 10th 2013 at 1:31 pm.
#132
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Re: Let's talk about cars
I suspect that the future is some sort of biomass or algae derived liquid fuel, either biomass alcohol or "synthetic gasoline" (though synthetic diesel is more likely as diesel engines are more tolerant of fuel with different combustion properties). This solution would solve both the energy density issue and the network infrastructure issue.
#133
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Re: Let's talk about cars
The number of leases more than doubled last year. During 2011, there were two; last year, there were five.
At this point, fuel cells are still experimental. They aren't durable, and the materials used to produce fuel cells are expensive. Even with a hefty lease payment, Honda is still losing a fortune on the car. And the costs don't scale, because the rare earth materials used to make the fuel cells don't get any cheaper through volume.
And you have to question whether it makes sense to convert natural gas into hydrogen for the sake of running an electric motor in a car. You may as well just put natural gas directly into the car (but that, too, has its own issues, given the low energy density of natural gas.)
Incidentally, I've driven the Honda Clarity, and it was pretty interesting. Feels remarkably normal. And the electric motor has full torque at 0 rpm, so it feels pleasantly quicker than it actually is. The driving experience itself is good, but the production issues get in the way.
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