Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
Dec 29th 2011, 3:47 pm
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Dec 29th 2011, 4:15 pm
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
This thread is starting to sound like an episode of 'Allo 'Allo 
Dec 29th 2011, 8:16 pm
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
As a Scousistan citizen, I got used to saying i was from Liverpool and most people knowing where the city was. Mostly the soccer connection is what clued people in. In America it is different, few know soccer, but surprisingly many do not know where the Beatles are from. It is largely age driven. On 'American Idol', when they had a 'Beatles songs' week, a few of the contestants did not really know who the Beatles were.
Dec 30th 2011, 10:34 am
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
Me, not so much.
It's that left brain, right brain thing.
Dec 30th 2011, 3:23 pm
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I'm a dichotomy though, since I have all the logical-OCD-left brain manner of thinking but I'm also into the creative, arty right brain stuff too.
Dec 30th 2011, 4:54 pm
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
Not strictly true. New York's punk scene was at its height with bands like The Ramones, Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers and early Blondie and Talking Heads, while the UK scene was still in its infancy. However, punk fashion as we know it has its roots in the UK with a certain "entrepreneur" Malcolm McClaren pretty much inventing the look as a way to shift clothing from his shop.
Dec 30th 2011, 5:27 pm
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
Not strictly true. New York's punk scene was at its height with bands like The Ramones, Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers and early Blondie and Talking Heads, while the UK scene was still in its infancy. However, punk fashion as we know it has its roots in the UK with a certain "entrepreneur" Malcolm McClaren pretty much inventing the look as a way to shift clothing from his shop.
Vivienne Westwood me thinks
Dec 30th 2011, 7:05 pm
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Jan 1st 2012, 9:38 pm
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
Ah, this old debate. The Sonics's debut came out in 1965. The Stooges' and MC5's respective debut came out in 1969. The New York Dolls and Death arrived in 1971. By about 1974 there were protopunk scenes in most major American cities with bands like Rocket from the Tombs and Modern Lovers starting to produce stuff. The Ramone's debut dropped in 1976.
...on the other hand, I'd ague that 1964's "You Really Got Me Now" by the Kinks is a definitive bit of punk. Also, Hawkwind was dangerously close to punk when Lemmy took control in the mid seventies "Silver Machine" is definitely punk.
...on the other hand, you could argue that the "golden period" late seventies/early eighties punk was derived from early rock and rockabilly. The sneering attitude, the stripped down rhythm guitars and 4/4 beat. In that case, I nominate Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent and The Burnette brothers as the first true punks. You can't deny that there's more than a little Gene Vincent and Johnny Burnette in Johnny Rotten's shtick. Early Carl Perkins and, of course, Elvis were critical to this sound as well. You could even throw Ike Turner in there for "Rocket 88". Why stop there... Chuck Berry?
...of course, they derived their sound from people like Bob Wills and Bo Diddley.
...in the final analysis, it all goes back to Robert Johnson.
...on the other hand, I'd ague that 1964's "You Really Got Me Now" by the Kinks is a definitive bit of punk. Also, Hawkwind was dangerously close to punk when Lemmy took control in the mid seventies "Silver Machine" is definitely punk.
...on the other hand, you could argue that the "golden period" late seventies/early eighties punk was derived from early rock and rockabilly. The sneering attitude, the stripped down rhythm guitars and 4/4 beat. In that case, I nominate Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent and The Burnette brothers as the first true punks. You can't deny that there's more than a little Gene Vincent and Johnny Burnette in Johnny Rotten's shtick. Early Carl Perkins and, of course, Elvis were critical to this sound as well. You could even throw Ike Turner in there for "Rocket 88". Why stop there... Chuck Berry?
...of course, they derived their sound from people like Bob Wills and Bo Diddley.
...in the final analysis, it all goes back to Robert Johnson.
Jan 1st 2012, 10:01 pm
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Psychodelic Rock/Space Rock whatever. Punk Rock definately not. Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd Langton and Ginger Baker would definately not classify themselves as Punk.
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Jan 9th 2012, 12:10 am
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Re: Have I finally insulted an American about Accents
I'm an Aussie in Pittsburgh. I don't actually find that much of a "Pittsburgh accent" except for on a few notable words (dahn-tahn instead downtown, Stillers instead of Steelers, etc), but they do have a lot of strange words and sentence structure (yinz, nebby, redd up, leaving out the "to be" in sentences etc)
I occasionally am asked if aussie but 99% of the time people ask if I'm from England. I say yes, the very southern island. If outside Pgh and someone asks where I'm from, I say "Pittsburgh" and that really confuses them. After 4 years here, I do have a tinge of american accent just because I am honestly not understood on the phone etc unless I tweak how I say some words.
It still BAFFLES me that many, many americans literally cannot understand what word or sentence I am saying, when I speak excellent english. I mean, I understand thick accents, but I don't have one, and also it is ENGLISH just like they talk. Heh
I occasionally am asked if aussie but 99% of the time people ask if I'm from England. I say yes, the very southern island. If outside Pgh and someone asks where I'm from, I say "Pittsburgh" and that really confuses them. After 4 years here, I do have a tinge of american accent just because I am honestly not understood on the phone etc unless I tweak how I say some words.
It still BAFFLES me that many, many americans literally cannot understand what word or sentence I am saying, when I speak excellent english. I mean, I understand thick accents, but I don't have one, and also it is ENGLISH just like they talk. Heh