Giantaxe

And the Iraqis didn't request it.

I would have thought that the pertinent statement in the above is:

So other than effectively re-invading a sovereign country, the US had no option but to leave given its refusal to remove immunity from prosecution for US soldiers. Maybe if the US had actually planned its occupation and also not killed so many Iraqi civilians, things could have been different and we wouldn't be in the position we currently are:

"Rewriting History: Conservatives Attack Obama For Withdrawing All Troops From Iraq"

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...bama-fo/200380

And who can blame "everyday Iraqis" from feeling that way when things like this happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Gh...prisoner_abuse

RoadWarriorFromLP

Bush broke Humpty Dumpty. The notion that Obama's or any other administration could have put Humpty Dumpty back together again is laughable.

FlaviusAetius

What was Humpty Dumpty in Iraq before Bush? Saddam's dictatorship?

At great cost in blood and treasure we freed them from one of the most gruesome dictatorships in modern history. They have almost completely thrown it away to pursue their interminable sectarian warfare and dreams of establishing a world caliphate. If it were possible to hermetically seal them all off from the rest of the world, would any of the rest of us give one flying f@@k about them?

RoadWarriorFromLP

Bush 43 created a power vacuum in Iraq that had led to a civil war, killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and spawned Al Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS. Only a buffoon would be proud of those "accomplishments."

Giantaxe

Wait, I thought the pretext for the Iraq invasion was "weapons of mass destruction" (tm).

Leslie

I see Christie as a very "law and order" type of candidate. He was a US prosecutor, appointed by GWB, and he's very comfortable in that space. His pro NSA position evinces those tendencies. Same for his anti-pot legalization stance. Interestingly, a lot of these law enforcement guys see the folly in the ridiculous incarceration rates for non-violent offenses ... because they've witnessed the failure of those policies first hand.



Oh, I thought it was terrible, just awful. Trump gave an "example" of some beautiful perfect child being afflicted with Autism after receiving his vaccines. I found the fact that the two doctors didn't laugh Trump off the stage to be extremely depressing. That nonsense about them being against the "bunching up" of the vaccinations was complete bullshit. No physicians actually feel that way, it was cowardly pandering at its very worst. They were throwing a bone to the anti-vaccine lunatics --- which is craven, dangerous and stupid. IMO, they were just lying. Just like Carly Fiorina lied about the Planned Parenthood tapes. My question to them is ... If your position is so great, why do you have to exaggerate and lie about it?

FlaviusAetius

Not defending why we went in - just pointing out that we did get rid of Saddam for them.

Apparently the bastards didn't appreciate it. With an attitude like that, we should have left them in the hands of a guy whose Mukhabarat is supposed to have fed regime opponents live into wood chipping machines. At least he kept order. Since ISIS would have been considered a threat to his regime he would have massacred them and saved us all a lot of trouble.

scrubbedexpat099

Giantaxe

Yeh, those bastards. They really should appreciate the US killing more than a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians.

Leslie

Riiiiight. So, North Korea next?

FlaviusAetius

Hope not. Maybe we learned lessons in Iraq and Vietnam. Of course, if the Norks hit us with their nukes, we should know what to do. I think their next gen missiles might be able to reach San Fran...it would be interesting to see what the libs would do if they took out the city.

Leslie

Ermm ... that dog won't hunt.

scrubbedexpat099

Blame Bush?

Leslie

Certainly can't credit Bush.

scrubbedexpat099

So I was right?