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Old Oct 28th 2016, 11:36 pm
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Is this about Weiner?

Name still cracks me up.
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 11:37 pm
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Originally Posted by morpeth
While the numbers may show if more younger people signed up it might be more economic for Obamacare to function, I still maintain this is looking at the effect as opposed to the cause- out of control medical costs. And neither political party has the courage to stand up to the drug companies, doctors and hospitals. I am not a big fan of government intervention in the market, but this situation is crazy.
Even if costs were similar to other western countries, the system would not function well if it were possible to "free load" on the system. Countries that use insurance-based systems such as The Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland both regulate insurance significantly and have a mandate for insurance. Similarly, in single-payer systems (such as the NHS or the US's Medicare) there is a "mandate" through the tax system. So both the cost and the lack of a meaningful mandate are issues, imo.
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Old Oct 28th 2016, 11:42 pm
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This is probably going to become a classic election campaign picture:

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Old Oct 28th 2016, 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Fair enough.

I'm all for Obamacare. It's a shame it didn't do anything for actually restricting the provider costs. It placed all that burden on the insurers who did all they could with restricted networks to limit costs. But if the providers raise the price of an epipen 1000% what can they do? Single payer may be the only way to go but I don't know how they implement it.
Since either for ideological reasons, or observation of the fault of a single payer system elsewhere, it is a hard sell in the USA a single payer system, I believe the answer a blended approach. Some ideas :

1. Reduce Medicare age from 65 to 62, and merge with Medicaid, to eliminate duplicate programs and personnel.
2. Medicaid can continue to contract with insurance companies, but expand eligibility based on income.
3. Regulate medical industry similar to utility companies - they are allowed a certain return on capital ( hospitals) , doctors (all) have to set aside so many days per month for Medicaid patients, penalties for drug companies that sell the same product made in the same factory for more than 200% in the USA than elsewhere..
4. Wage restrictions for top officers of non profit hospitals, and top five earners required to publish in local paper and television advertisements what they make annually. And an annual letter explaining why any administrative staff at a non profit hospital has to be paid over 150% of what same job pays elsewhere.
5. Keep beneficial aspects of Obamacare such as those covering pre-existing conditions.
6. 1% tax on wages (1/2 employer 1/2 employee) to cover costs of (1) and (2).
7. Overall force a 5% reduction in costs two years in a row.
8. Forget the mandate, everyone simply has Medicare or Medicaid by default if they don't have other insurance, (6) adjusted as necessary for cost of premium.
9. Some sort of cap on malpractice claims, and/or special courts to deal with.

All this can be adjusted this way or that, but if walking into a 2 hour operation can cost $25,000 ( as happened to a friend recently), there is something seriously wrong.

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Originally Posted by morpeth
1. Reduce Medicare age from 65 to 62, and merge with Medicaid, to eliminate duplicate programs and personnel.
Medicaid is a per-state program and, as we've seen, many states refused to extend it to lower-income individuals that don't have minor-age children in their household.

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6. 1% tax on wages (1/2 employer 1/2 employee) to cover costs of (1) and (2).

8. Forget the mandate, everyone simply has Medicare or Medicaid by default if they don't have other insurance, (6) adjusted as necessary for cost of premium.
Your 6. is a form of mandate.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Medicaid is a per-state program and, as we've seen, many states refused to extend it to lower-income individuals that don't have minor-age children in their household.



Your 6. is a form of mandate.
By (6) I meant paying overall for cost of the Medicaid insurance, as opposed to penalizing people of low income by forcing them to pay a specific tax. Instead just an overall tax. Yes I guess a type of mandate. And yes some will freeload , especially if they don't have a job or no insurance or are seniors or are poor.

As far as Medicaid if extending cant be solved under existing program convert to Medicare or whatever that works.
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Originally Posted by dakota44
I would guess the low life Repubs will start impeachment procedings the day after inauguration. Repubs have no desire to heal the country...just the desire to do as much damage as possible in the hope that they will gain the Whitehouse.
Impeachment proceedings ? No I think not but certainly they'll do all they can to delay or obstruct any legislation put forward by Hillary. It will just be Washington business as usual and there is an ever increasing discontent amongst the population over the way things are in DC. Really no surprise that there are new kinds of politicians on the scene such as Trump and Bernie Sanders who draw their support from unhappy voters on the left and right
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It's not 'child rape' ... it's just good kinky fun!
Locker room stuff. All men do it.
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Originally Posted by morpeth
By (6) I meant paying overall for cost of the Medicaid insurance, as opposed to penalizing people of low income by forcing them to pay a specific tax. Instead just an overall tax. Yes I guess a type of mandate. And yes some will freeload , especially if they don't have a job or no insurance or are seniors or are poor.

As far as Medicaid if extending cant be solved under existing program convert to Medicare or whatever that works.
Other than extend single-payer coverage to those between 62 to 65, I just don't see what your scheme would achieve. In fact, it would probably make things a lot worse in that there would be no incentive for people to buy their own insurance: why do that when they can get Medicaid and have taxpayers in general pay for it? After all, a 1% tax on wages is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of healthcare, even in countries with way lower costs than the US.
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Either way, as I see it the US is going to get the worse president in its history, period !!
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
This is probably going to become a classic election campaign picture:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...-master768.jpg
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Old Oct 29th 2016, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by zargof
So this "new investigation" is down to Anthony Weiner being a dirty bastard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us...smtyp=cur&_r=1
Is it just me or has this election, of potentially the first woman president, been completely showered with men who can't keep their dicks in their pants?

It almost seems intentional, or maybe inevitable.
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"The election may not be as rigged as I thought." ~ Trump

Anybody who still takes him seriously needs to be lobotomized.
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Comey has now essentially admitted that his announcement was politically motivated.
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