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Leslie Sep 6th 2016 3:27 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12044568)
On the bright side, if he wins we'll be able to abbreviate POTUS to POS. It'll save a few pennies on printer ink, at least.

The leftover TU = Trump University!

It's a conspiracy. Paging Gordon Barlow. Paging Gordon Barlow.

zargof Sep 6th 2016 3:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12045028)
The leftover TU = Trump University!

It's a conspiracy. Paging Gordon Barlow. Paging Gordon Barlow.

Don't be silly. Only Hillary is involved in conspiracies. All of Trump's scandals are out in the open, but no-one cares.

MMcD Sep 6th 2016 4:22 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12044683)
I don't think it's sensible to put all one's faith in the anti-Russia rhetoric of anti-Russia media organs (Washington Post, BBC, etc). Both sides are spouting propaganda, after all. How do we know which one is telling the truth?

It helps when they at least offer a divergence of opinion. Which they do. And that when it's opinion, it's not masquerading as fact - ie reporting.

To that end you might want to let your handlers know that Greta Van Susteren has just been given the boot by Fox.
Hiring her would bring a ton of "fair and balanced" to their media structure.

MMcD Sep 6th 2016 7:24 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11600477)
... best buckle up
The bumpy ride has just begun...... :popcorn:

That quote is from my own initial post in this GREAT thread (:thumbup: to sir_e ), written the day it was opened....
As we hurtle into the final phase I decided to look back through the thread.

A year and a half later I can only say my seat belt (see above) is now completely frayed, air bags are about to explode, suspension is shot and I'm already car sick - knowing final stretch of this hair-raiser race will make Monaco's Grand Prix look like kiddy bumper cars.


Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12045013)
everyone is freaking out about the latest polls.


Gordon Barlow Sep 6th 2016 2:45 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
Trump and the Scapegoat Effect | The American Conservative
A fearsome slap at both candidates and their supporters - those who make Trump a scapegoat, and the scapegoat himself. About as balanced an opinion as this campaign has produced. Well worth taking the time to read.

sir_eccles Sep 6th 2016 2:57 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12045460)
Trump and the Scapegoat Effect | The American Conservative
A fearsome slap at both candidates and their supporters - those who make Trump a scapegoat, and the scapegoat himself. About as balanced an opinion as this campaign has produced. Well worth taking the time to read.

I doubt it.

Leslie Sep 6th 2016 3:02 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
Ya'll see what that ****ing idiot is doing in the Philippines? That's what the USA is going to look like if we let Trump get elected.

Wintersong Sep 7th 2016 4:15 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12045465)
I doubt it.

Actually, it was an interesting read... and I think there's a lot of truth there.

sir_eccles Sep 7th 2016 9:59 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Hands up if you are embarrassed by the fact that a vice presidential candidate accepting that the official birthplace of the current president as true is somehow a surprise.

Pence: 'I accept' Obama was born in US | TheHill

sir_eccles Sep 8th 2016 3:14 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
I didn't watch the town halls last night. Just reading the reports it looks like Matt lauer comes out badly for not correcting Trump's lies about being against the Iraq and Libya invasions.

Also the nytimes seems to be having a tough time recently. They apparently published a report that included the bit about being chums with Putin then redacted it.

zargof Sep 8th 2016 4:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
I see the media are burying Gary Johnson for not knowing what Aleppo is this morning. Just wondering why they haven't done the same to Trump for the last year for not knowing anything.

SultanOfSwing Sep 8th 2016 4:40 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12046904)
I see the media are burying Gary Johnson for not knowing what Aleppo is this morning. Just wondering why they haven't done the same to Trump for the last year for not knowing anything.

He actually had a pretty mature and reasoned response to his slip-up as well, which is nigh on unheard of for a politician ...

"This morning, I began my day by setting aside any doubt that I’m human. Yes, I understand the dynamics of the Syrian conflict — I talk about them every day. But hit with “What about Aleppo?”, I immediately was thinking about an acronym, not the Syrian conflict. I blanked. It happens, and it will happen again during the course of this campaign.

Can I name every city in Syria? No. Should I have identified Aleppo? Yes. Do I understand its significance? Yes.

As Governor, there were many things I didn’t know off the top of my head. But I succeeded by surrounding myself with the right people, getting to the bottom of important issues, and making principled decisions. It worked. That is what a President must do.

That would begin, clearly, with daily security briefings that, to me, will be fundamental to the job of being President."

MMcD Sep 8th 2016 5:49 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12046849)
I didn't watch the town halls last night. Just reading the reports it looks like Matt lauer comes out badly for not correcting Trump's lies about being against the Iraq and Libya invasions.

The ONLY redeeming thing about last night's travesty will be if it generates a careful re-consideration by the networks of the role of their moderators in the upcoming debates.
We hear a lot about rules for the candidates, rules for the audience, what about a few rules for those asking the questions?
Statements like this from Chris Wallace (Fox Network), who will moderate the final and therefore conceivably, most important debate, don't auger well:

"I do not believe it is my job to be a truth squad. It's up to the other person to catch them. ....... I don't view my role as truth squading and I think that is a step too far. If people want to do it after the debate, fine, it’s not my role. "

Giantaxe Sep 8th 2016 5:59 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 12046962)
The ONLY redeeming thing about last night's travesty will be if it generates a careful re-consideration by the networks of the role of their moderators in the upcoming debates.
We hear a lot about rules for the candidates, rules for the audience, what about a few rules for those asking the questions?
Statements like this from Chris Wallace (Fox Network), who will moderate the final and therefore conceivably, most important debate, don't auger well:

"I do not believe it is my job to be a truth squad. It's up to the other person to catch them. ....... I don't view my role as truth squading and I think that is a step too far. If people want to do it after the debate, fine, it’s not my role. "

I have sympathy with Chris Wallace's view in an actual debate where there is an opportunity for the other candidate(s) to point out a person's lies. The problem was that last night wasn't a debate. Thus, absent the moderator intervening, lies went completely "unpunished".

MMcD Sep 8th 2016 6:13 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12046969)
I have sympathy with Chris Wallace's view in an actual debate where there is an opportunity for the other candidate(s) to point out a person's lies. The problem was that last night wasn't a debate. Thus, absent the moderator intervening, lies went completely "unpunished".

And if the other candidate(s) fails to do so (due to time constraints etc.) - the uninformed voter is the loser.
A bald-faced lie is a bald-faced lie. It should not remain unchallenged.


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