Most of...if not all...the anti Trump people on this thread are long time members. I think we know how to spot trolls.

Drudge Report is an aggregator of the right (almost zero original content.)

Real Clear Politics is a more balanced aggregator and easier to read, but it generally leans right (although it tends to avoid the nuttiest of the nutty.)

Especially the labor participation rate decline which the source of the National Review's figures and many other economists have pointed out is mostly (but clearly not totally) structural and which commenced well before Obama took office (more baby boomers retiring, more people getting post-grad education, a slight decline in working women). "Odd" that the National Review was silent on the structural factors and so full of glee on pinning it all on Obama.

Declining Labor Participation Rates

Just about every poster in this thread are long-standing forum members. The newer posters are the more conservative ones, so if they're shills for Hillary, they're not very good ones. Statistically, you're talking out of your anus, dear boy.

If such paid trolls did exist, one would find them on Reddit, not on an expat forum where people are talking about the election the same way they have done every four years.

I notice Hillary Clinton (who, as a rapant corporatist 1%-er, I have my own issues with but I don't hate her) gets hauled out as a war criminal but we elected the war criminal Bush for a second term in 2004 and nobody batted an eye.

Conservatives would love to whine about unemployment. But that's pretty tough to do with a straight face when the rate is 5%.

That leaves us with this determined effort to abuse the labor force participation data. This appeals to right-wing know-nothings who can't be bothered to understand what it actually means; expecting them to do five minutes of research is asking too much.

They do exist, I've seen them all over the Graun comment sections, and it's painfully obvious as they just post the same trite nonsense over and over again. Obviously there are some genuine Hillary fans as well and you can see they actually put some thought into their comments.

I haven't actually seen a Hillary supporter on Reddit but I avoid r/politics because I have a bit of election fatigue anyway. The Trump subreddit is right on the line between trollery and cancer, and the Sanders one is just sad. Endless 'give us money and make phonecalls or we'll all die' posts. It makes supporting Bernie feel like supporting Liverpool. I believe in my choice but I don't always want to stand next to the other people who chose it.

Does anybody else groan when they hear that ridiculous '95 million unemployed' figure trotted out over and over?

I never bother with Reddit, it makes Youtube commentators seem sane. I know what you mean about some Bernie supporters though, they're not ready to deal with reality yet.

It has its moments but there is a lot of crap to filter through.

I think Bernie has a lot of new voter support, who haven't been through enough election cycles to become fully jaded and disillusioned with it yet, and they aren't ready to accept the fact that Hillary is all but the presumptive nominee now.

Still waiting for my check. Talking of which "Big Pharma" still owes me a check for telling people to get vaccinated.

I mean we joke, right, but to be honest, I'd troll for money if the price was right.

Thanks. I like the way that Real Clear Politics is presented, very useful.

True enough, Sultan; but I don't think that's cause for smugness.

Ok Gordon, lay out your case for Hillary being a war criminal. I am genuinely curious.