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Old Mar 10th 2016, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by dakota44
I do no not WANT to hate him. I DO hate him. By the way, more violence against peaceful protesters at his recent rallies...with racial slurs added. He has encouraged this kind of behaviour which is now spreading to the streets. I can only imagine how bad it will get if he is elected. He has handed a license to people to commit violent acts out of racial hatred.
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Taking the kind of risks that make money inevitably means that some deals will fail. Not everything is going to work, nor should all of it be expected to work; success is measured by the totality of the result.
Which is fine if you're talking about his own businesses. I don't particularly want him trying to run the country like that.
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So, it turns out that Gordon Gekko is feeling the Bern.

Bernie Sanders Just Won Support from the Most Unlikely Person

I guess Bernie isn't an economic illiterate after all.
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
I was only going to check in after the general, but looked in to see the drift of the debate now that it's a 4-man race on the R side and that Bernie took Michigan. If the regulars would avoid using ad hominem attacks I might stop by more often.
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Is it truly ad hominem? I mean, we freely attack the candidates, but who cares about them? I am struggling to think of a time when a poster has actually been personally attacked, rather than just challenged, albeit in an animated way.
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Welcome back! I for one enjoy your contributions. On the one hand, you do post some obviously inflammatory stuff, but on the other hand, I have seen a pattern here were certain posters are held to a different standard. Once you cross some unwritten threshold, suddenly your every word is analyzed and dissected.


Personally, I'd much rather read your posts that those of Boiler, who simply repeats the 'anyone but Hillary' mantra and refuses to ever post specific reasons why that makes sense in the context of today's alternatives; he recently offered to post a transcript of a debate in support of his position, as an example.
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But it's OK, he's rich. He can get away with. As for us plebs, get behind on your student loans, who is going to bail us out?
Can't you just ask your dad for a small loan of $1m?

Isn't that how everyone does it?
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Which is fine if you're talking about his own businesses. I don't particularly want him trying to run the country like that.
I don't want him to run the country at all. But we should at least assess his business track record for what it is, which is not a bad one on the whole.
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I don't want him to run the country at all. But we should at least assess his business track record for what it is, which is not a bad one on the whole.
Then we should look at Trump University which was clearly a scam. The big question is why? At a point in his life where he was clearly doing well financially, why get involved in a relatively low level scam?

I think he has serious judgment and impulse control issues. Any little thing can send him into a spiral. Mitt Romney said mean words and Trump fabricates that ridiculous showcase of fake products. It's frightening.
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Then we should look at Trump University which was clearly a scam. The big question is why? At a point in his life where he was clearly doing well financially, why get involved in a relatively low level scam?

I think he has serious judgment and impulse control issues. Any little thing can send him into a spiral. Mitt Romney said mean words and Trump fabricates that ridiculous showcase of fake products. It's frightening.
It's fair to argue about his lack of ethics; however, I would separate the Trump University/ Wealth Institute/ etc. scam issue from whether he knows how to build hotels.

Trump strikes me as a classic business sociopath, i.e. completely self-absorbed at the expense of others, the kind of guy who would pat you on the back so that's easier for him to put the knife in. I doubt that I would like him personally. If he was a scammer, then he should be brought down for it.

But putting commercial real estate projects into BK isn't exactly unknown. (I should know, because I've done it myself on behalf of others when it was appropriate to do so.) I am not judging him for doing that; I probably would have done the same thing.
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Trump really is pulling off an amazing stunt; he is behaving like the worst politician - saying anything his constituents want to hear, but yet he manages to play the 'I'm no politician' card, and gets praise for being non-political (from supporters AND detractors). He has just changed his tune again, on healthcare (for example). No other politician would come anywhere close to getting away with this but his supporters just let it go.


I'm beginning to think he may keep this up throughout the election cycle (assuming he's nominated, which I'm beginning to think is a serious notion). He'll pivot back to center when he's up against Clinton, and simply drop all his recently-adopted positions that he needed to sway the right.


So ... in the (hopefully unlikely) event that he prevails over Clinton, I think the best indicator of his actual behavior as President will be his past performance in life, prior to his entry into the race. Unfortunately, I dislike the man so haven't followed his 'career' with any interest.


I'm certainly becoming more and more convinced of one thing - that he'll be a better option than Cruz.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Trump really is pulling off an amazing stunt; he is behaving like the worst politician - saying anything his constituents want to hear, but yet he manages to play the 'I'm no politician' card, and gets praise for being non-political (from supporters AND detractors). He has just changed his tune again, on healthcare (for example). No other politician would come anywhere close to getting away with this but his supporters just let it go.


I'm beginning to think he may keep this up throughout the election cycle (assuming he's nominated, which I'm beginning to think is a serious notion). He'll pivot back to center when he's up against Clinton, and simply drop all his recently-adopted positions that he needed to sway the right.


So ... in the (hopefully unlikely) event that he prevails over Clinton, I think the best indicator of his actual behavior as President will be his past performance in life, prior to his entry into the race. Unfortunately, I dislike the man so haven't followed his 'career' with any interest.


I'm certainly becoming more and more convinced of one thing - that he'll be a better option than Cruz.
Personally I don't think he will let up on the hateful positions in the general. I think the response to his racist garbage has fed his ego to the point where he may even double down on it. After all, he may think, it worked so well in the primaries it should really work in the general.

Either way, he has torn the scab off the festering sore of underlying racism in the country and we are going to see more violence and hate crimes. Hell of a gift he has bestowed upon the country. I predict serious intimidation by his supporters of non white voters in the general.
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California will be a safe democrat state as usual and Clinton will take it in the primary but by June there is a good chance Sanders will have dropped out unless he somehow really gains steam.

Not voting will do nothing to help Trump get in due to the state I vote in. Trump has no chance at taking the state in the general assuming he even wins the nomintation for that party.

California is not going to be a battle ground state.


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Well that will help (put Trump into office).

Bernie, god bless him. He really believes in his idealistic, naive (but well-meaning) dream. But in reality, first 2 years in office, republican congress will put his lights out, block everything, ruin the economy, lay all the blame on him, then proceed to lay the groundwork for a republican landslide victory in next election.
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
It's fair to argue about his lack of ethics; however, I would separate the Trump University/ Wealth Institute/ etc. scam issue from whether he knows how to build hotels.

Trump strikes me as a classic business sociopath, i.e. completely self-absorbed at the expense of others, the kind of guy who would pat you on the back so that's easier for him to put the knife in. I doubt that I would like him personally. If he was a scammer, then he should be brought down for it.

But putting commercial real estate projects into BK isn't exactly unknown. (I should know, because I've done it myself on behalf of others when it was appropriate to do so.) I am not judging him for doing that; I probably would have done the same thing.
There's nothing interesting about his real estate or casino dealings. If America wants a president who does well in scum-baggy, yet technically legal, ventures then they can just go ahead and elect him. However, shilling for these fake universities is on another level --- plenty of people have had to pay back and/or gone to jail for these types of scams.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There's nothing interesting about his real estate or casino dealings. If America wants a president who does well in scum-baggy, yet technically legal, ventures then they can just go ahead and elect him. However, shilling for these fake universities is on another level --- plenty of people have had to pay back and/or gone to jail for these types of scams.

He has to testify soon in a lawsuit of I think 40 million over Trump University fraud. One would hope he loses.
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He has to testify soon in a lawsuit of I think 40 million over Trump University fraud. One would hope he loses.
All of the potential winners have impending lawsuits except Bernie. What a mess.
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All of the potential winners have impending lawsuits except Bernie. What a mess.
Did not know that. Embarrasing to say the least.
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Did not know that. Embarrasing to say the least.
Clinton - emails (should go away but maybe not?)
Trump - Trump University
Cruz - will be sued over his citizenship/eligibility if he wins the GOP nomination
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