2016 Election
Mar 10th 2016 | 2:46 am
#5581
I have a comma problem
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 49,598
From: Fox Lake, IL (from Carrickfergus NI)
Re: 2016 Election
Your posting styles don't match. You favour detail, he tends to favour soundbites. Also pooping, apparently.
Mar 10th 2016 | 2:56 am
#5582
Account Closed
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
Re: 2016 Election
I was only going to check in after the general, but looked in to see the drift of the debate now that it's a 4-man race on the R side and that Bernie took Michigan. If the regulars would avoid using ad hominem attacks I might stop by more often.
By the way, I am not now, nor have I ever been, themadpooper. I gather themadpooper is somewhat right of centre?
By the way, I am not now, nor have I ever been, themadpooper. I gather themadpooper is somewhat right of centre?
Mar 10th 2016 | 3:02 am
#5583
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,212
From: San Francisco
Mar 10th 2016 | 3:04 am
#5584
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,212
From: San Francisco
Re: 2016 Election
Trump the habitual liar was on full display in his speech in Florida. He had a table of alledged Trump products to respond to Romneys attack on his failures. So let us look. Trump Winery which he said he owns 100% debt free. Except this appears at the bottom of the legal disclaimer. Trump winery is not owned by or affiliated with Donald J. Trump. Interesting...especially since he was using it to defend failed Trump Vodka.
He had what he said were Trump Steaks...which were not but which came from the company he buys steak from for his hotels. Trump steaks no longer exist.
He had Trump water..actually bottled by a non Trump company that he buys branded water from for his hotels and casinos.
He held up what he called Trump magazine but it was an annual magazine for his golf club...Trump magazine has been gone for years.
He is the ballsiest liar ever...about things easily proven false. So the question becomes how stupid do his supporters really have to be to vote for a man from whom such obvious lies flow. Not one thing the arrogant ass says can be trusted.
He had what he said were Trump Steaks...which were not but which came from the company he buys steak from for his hotels. Trump steaks no longer exist.
He had Trump water..actually bottled by a non Trump company that he buys branded water from for his hotels and casinos.
He held up what he called Trump magazine but it was an annual magazine for his golf club...Trump magazine has been gone for years.
He is the ballsiest liar ever...about things easily proven false. So the question becomes how stupid do his supporters really have to be to vote for a man from whom such obvious lies flow. Not one thing the arrogant ass says can be trusted.
Mar 10th 2016 | 3:09 am
#5585
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,212
From: San Francisco
Re: 2016 Election
He got bent out of shape when his strawmen were challenged. Ad hominem attack?... not so much.
Mar 10th 2016 | 3:33 am
#5586
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 27,078
From: Nova Scotia Canada
Re: 2016 Election
Much worse I suspect. He could have sat on his ass and got in on so many IPO's over the years and nade many billions.
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Mar 10th 2016 | 3:43 am
#5587
Bloody Yank
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,186
From: USA! USA!
Re: 2016 Election
To be fair to Trump, that's probably not a fair comparison, on a lot of levels. The guy made money and I won't begrudge him that.
Mar 10th 2016 | 3:57 am
#5588
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 27,078
From: Nova Scotia Canada
Re: 2016 Election
The clown had to be bailed out by the banks back when was developing some properties...half a billion under water...was put on a monthly allowance by the banks and was allowed to continue the projects because the banks thougt they would recover more of their money with completed projects. That is not success. Most of his money is made by selling his name because many of his businesses go bust. Bankrupting Trump Casino 4 times is not success. Bilking people out of money for failed projects he endorsed and put his name to but had nothing to do with..is not success. Being bailed out by the Chinese is not success. He has been ridiculously lucky to have had his ass saved many times.
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:01 am
#5589
I love my brick!
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,304
From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
The clown had to be bailed out by the banks back when was developing some properties...half a billion under water...was put on a monthly allowance by the banks and was allowed to continue the projects because the banks thougt they would recover more of their money with completed projects. That is not success. Most of his money is made by selling his name because many of his businesses go bust. Bankrupting Trump Casino 4 times is not success. Bilking people out of money for failed projects he endorsed and put his name to but had nothing to do with..is not success. Being bailed out by the Chinese is not success. He has been ridiculously lucky to have had his ass saved many times.
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:06 am
#5590
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 27,078
From: Nova Scotia Canada
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:09 am
#5591
Bloody Yank
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,186
From: USA! USA!
Re: 2016 Election
The clown had to be bailed out by the banks back when was developing some properties...half a billion under water...was put on a monthly allowance by the banks and was allowed to continue the projects because the banks thougt they would recover more of their money with completed projects. That is not success. Most of his money is made by selling his name because many of his businesses go bust. Bankrupting Trump Casino 4 times is not success. Bilking people out of money for failed projects he endorsed and put his name to but had nothing to do with..is not success. Being bailed out by the Chinese is not success. He has been ridiculously lucky to have had his ass saved many times.
Real estate is heavily leveraged, so bankruptcy is a tool for dealing with the mortgage debt when the deal goes bad. That isn't comparable to stock investments that don't employ the use of so much debt.
In any case, he bet heavily on Atlantic City, which proved to be a bad idea but made some sense. A lot of money gets made or lost on betting on redevelopment. You should be thankful that risk capital gets deployed in these places, otherwise we would have a lot more blight.
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:15 am
#5592
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 27,078
From: Nova Scotia Canada
Re: 2016 Election
I do no not WANT to hate him. I DO hate him. By the way, more violence against peaceful protesters at his recent rallies...with racial slurs added. He has encouraged this kind of behaviour which is now spreading to the streets. I can only imagine how bad it will get if he is elected. He has handed a license to people to commit violent acts out of racial hatred.
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:18 am
#5593
Bloody Yank
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,186
From: USA! USA!
Re: 2016 Election
OK, but that has nothing to do with real estate deals and how they work.
Mar 10th 2016 | 4:22 am
#5594
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 27,078
From: Nova Scotia Canada
Re: 2016 Election
Neither do his numerous failures...Trump Air, Vodka, Steaks, Magazine, Mortgage, Travel, University and the list goes on. He is basically a con man to be honest. Also most of the buildings he has his name on...he had nothing to do with the development...just licensed his name.
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Mar 10th 2016 | 4:33 am
#5595
Bloody Yank
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,186
From: USA! USA!
Re: 2016 Election
Neither do his numerous failures...Trump Air, Vodka, Steaks, Magazine, Mortgage, Travel, University and the list goes on. He is basically a con man to be honest. Also most of the buildings he has his name on...he had nothing to do with the development...just licensed his name.
For example, if you look at venture capital, it's probably fair to say that out of every hundred deals, fifty or so are complete losers, another forty are mediocre, and only ten are truly successful. And of the ten, you will get the occasional Google that is an out-of-the-park home run.
But you don't ever get to Google without also getting the other ninety-nine. Dismissing a VC investor for being an idiot because most of the deals are dogs misses the point.
