Originally Posted by Leslie

Booker and/or one of the Castros would be fantastic for the ticket. They're the future of the party and ambitious (and brilliant) in their own rights. I don't know if they would accept the VP slot or not but that's who I'd pick.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

I didn't watch last night's debate. The press seem to be all over Sanders today for cutting off Clinton during the debate. From the clips I have seen (they may be one sided pro Sanders)...Sanders is speaking...Clinton interrupts him and he tells her to let him finish. They are saying he was rude...but to me it seems she was at fault. Were there other instances that I haven't seen when he rudely interrupted her...or is she playing the victim card again?

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

I think a business man would be good for the country. One that engages brain before putting mouth into gear...

Originally Posted by Leslie

Booker and/or one of the Castros would be fantastic for the ticket. They're the future of the party and ambitious (and brilliant) in their own rights. I don't know if they would accept the VP slot or not but that's who I'd pick.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

I saw it. It seemed pretty mild to me, and it was the commentators who played it up, not Clinton. Compared to the utterly disrespectful slug-fest in the R debate, this was very, very civil. The D debates are so mild, the networks have to try to spin up something. BUT - if Trump tries that stuff on her in the real debates, it could really play into her hands.

Originally Posted by zargof

I agree. It seems like you can't be dismissive of a woman like that as it's seen as rude and sexist (contrast how Diamond Joe debated Palin and Ryan). But by the same token, Clinton can't raise her voice as it will be seen as shrill. It's all so stupid, but you don't want to turn voters off.

Originally Posted by Leslie

If you want to see sexist abuse of female candidate -- check out Clayton Williams vs Ann Richards. Unbelievable.

I don't think any of this applies to Bernie nor should it stick. He is an open book and clearly treats women as equals which is all that anybody should ask for.

Originally Posted by Leslie

Is she? I've listened to her stump and watched most of the debates and it doesn't seem that ham fisted to me --- IOW it hasn't jumped out too much that she's co opting Bill's policies as her own accomplishments. She does mention her attempt at healthcare reform during his presidency but I think that's fair play. She literally was given the "job" of reforming healthcare and she was absolutely savaged for it at the time. She did all of the heavy lifting, and took all the shit, so I think she should be able to list it as her own.

Either way, whether we agree with the fairness of it all, it's going to happen in the general election. The Republicans will not be as (mostly) polite as Bernie has been.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

I saw it. It seemed pretty mild to me, and it was the commentators who played it up, not Clinton. Compared to the utterly disrespectful slug-fest in the R debate, this was very, very civil. The D debates are so mild, the networks have to try to spin up something. BUT - if Trump tries that stuff on her in the real debates, it could really play into her hands.

Originally Posted by zargof

I agree. It seems like you can't be dismissive of a woman like that as it's seen as rude and sexist (contrast how Diamond Joe debated Palin and Ryan). But by the same token, Clinton can't raise her voice as it will be seen as shrill. It's all so stupid, but you don't want to turn voters off.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

That's what won her the NY senate seat from Rick Lazio. They were arguing about something and he walked over to her podium. He was seen as 'threatening' her...she played the victim card. If that had been male on male nothing would have been read into it. I lived in the NY Tri State area at the time and that clip was shown over and over again on TV. His ratings dropped like a stone.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

Clinton seems to do nothing else but shout during the debate and rallies/meetings. Admittedly her shouting voice isn't shrill...just extremely annoying.

Originally Posted by Leslie

If you want to see sexist abuse of female candidate

Originally Posted by Giantaxe

Lazio broke the debate rules walking over to his opponent's lectern waving his "pledge paper" in her face as she was speaking. He was an idiot and would have been called for it regardless of his opponent.



I don't recall much shouting in any of the Democratic debates. In fact, the contrast with the Republican debates in that regard is quite marked.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

She was shouting during the last debate.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

She was shouting during the last debate.

Originally Posted by Boiler

Shouting over the Bern, and going well over the time limit.