2016 Election
Jan 19th 2016, 2:57 am
#3286
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Re: 2016 Election
Agree with some of what you're saying. If Clinton goes all out on gun control she will shore up Republican and independent voters against her. If Bernie "wins" on the economy and takes the nomination, he will almost certainly lose the election - because as you say, the problem for a lot of people in this country, politics as usual hasn't been working. If, as I think is very possible, we slip into recession in 2016, Obama's prescriptions - and socialist prescriptions - will not sell.
"I honestly believe that a significant majority of people in this country agree with what Bernie is saying, but many of them either don't know about Bernie..." Elsewhere, posters have lamented that the average American is illiterate on economic issues - that would be Bernie's strongest calling card.
Johnson & Johnson announced the layoff of 3,000 people in its medical device division, all of them likely above minimum wage earners - layoffs undoubtedly due to the Obamacare tax on medical devices.
United Healthcare announced it, like the other majors, can't make a profit in the exchanges. The exchanges could collapse and leave us with only government programmes for the exchanges - probably, as some suspect, baked into the original law. It would be up to Trump or the Republican nominee to try to educate the electorate as to why Obamacare is failing and offer a reasonable alternative that is sustainable without massive government intervention. If they fail, we'll be enjoying a "Lost Decade" like Japan.
"I honestly believe that a significant majority of people in this country agree with what Bernie is saying, but many of them either don't know about Bernie..." Elsewhere, posters have lamented that the average American is illiterate on economic issues - that would be Bernie's strongest calling card.
Johnson & Johnson announced the layoff of 3,000 people in its medical device division, all of them likely above minimum wage earners - layoffs undoubtedly due to the Obamacare tax on medical devices.
United Healthcare announced it, like the other majors, can't make a profit in the exchanges. The exchanges could collapse and leave us with only government programmes for the exchanges - probably, as some suspect, baked into the original law. It would be up to Trump or the Republican nominee to try to educate the electorate as to why Obamacare is failing and offer a reasonable alternative that is sustainable without massive government intervention. If they fail, we'll be enjoying a "Lost Decade" like Japan.
It's Commie/Socialism ooooooh ! Why cant folks just do what they did in the old days. Americans used to take care of themselves, the pioneer spirit and all that. We shouldn't need the government to be handing out welfare type programs !
And as for the ACA not working.... not true. My daughter who is an administrator of a community hospital has said that the hospital is now running at almost full capacity whereas before it was often below 50 percent. It's financially sound thanks to that. Community hospitals do net get funded by the government... much of their revenue comes from community support in the form of donations. In less affluent areas many had to close their doors or run short staffed and work with outdated equipment
Jan 19th 2016, 3:04 am
#3287
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Re: 2016 Election
Agree with some of what you're saying. If Clinton goes all out on gun control she will shore up Republican and independent voters against her. If Bernie "wins" on the economy and takes the nomination, he will almost certainly lose the election - because as you say, the problem for a lot of people in this country, politics as usual hasn't been working. If, as I think is very possible, we slip into recession in 2016, Obama's prescriptions - and socialist prescriptions - will not sell.
"I honestly believe that a significant majority of people in this country agree with what Bernie is saying, but many of them either don't know about Bernie..." Elsewhere, posters have lamented that the average American is illiterate on economic issues - that would be Bernie's strongest calling card.
Johnson & Johnson announced the layoff of 3,000 people in its medical device division, all of them likely above minimum wage earners - layoffs undoubtedly due to the Obamacare tax on medical devices.
United Healthcare announced it, like the other majors, can't make a profit in the exchanges. The exchanges could collapse and leave us with only government programmes for the exchanges - probably, as some suspect, baked into the original law. It would be up to Trump or the Republican nominee to try to educate the electorate as to why Obamacare is failing and offer a reasonable alternative that is sustainable without massive government intervention. If they fail, we'll be enjoying a "Lost Decade" like Japan.
"I honestly believe that a significant majority of people in this country agree with what Bernie is saying, but many of them either don't know about Bernie..." Elsewhere, posters have lamented that the average American is illiterate on economic issues - that would be Bernie's strongest calling card.
Johnson & Johnson announced the layoff of 3,000 people in its medical device division, all of them likely above minimum wage earners - layoffs undoubtedly due to the Obamacare tax on medical devices.
United Healthcare announced it, like the other majors, can't make a profit in the exchanges. The exchanges could collapse and leave us with only government programmes for the exchanges - probably, as some suspect, baked into the original law. It would be up to Trump or the Republican nominee to try to educate the electorate as to why Obamacare is failing and offer a reasonable alternative that is sustainable without massive government intervention. If they fail, we'll be enjoying a "Lost Decade" like Japan.
It's interesting that you keep harping on about economic illiterates because I can't recall a single thing you've written to show you know anything about the economy. I do recall some sophistry about Republicans being better for the economy though.
If what you say about J&J is true, then the timing would be unfortunate considering there is a two year moratorium on the medical devices tax.
As for Obamacare it could also be up to Bernie to educate the electorate as to why Obamacare isn't perfect and why single payer is the way to go.
Jan 19th 2016, 3:08 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Republicans have nothing to offer as an alternative to Obamacar. Never had, never will. The GOP is a party frozen in time. They loathed Roosevelt's Social Security program, hate Medicare and the destruction of the ACA is a prime objective of the lot of them
It's Commie/Socialism ooooooh ! Why cant folks just do what they did in the old days. Americans used to take care of themselves, the pioneer spirit and all that. We shouldn't need the government to be handing out welfare type programs !
And as for the ACA not working.... not true. My daughter who is an administrator of a community hospital has said that the hospital is now running at almost full capacity whereas before it was often below 50 percent. It's financially sound thanks to that. Community hospitals do net get funded by the government... much of their revenue comes from community support in the form of donations. In less affluent areas many had to close their doors or run short staffed and work with outdated equipment
It's Commie/Socialism ooooooh ! Why cant folks just do what they did in the old days. Americans used to take care of themselves, the pioneer spirit and all that. We shouldn't need the government to be handing out welfare type programs !
And as for the ACA not working.... not true. My daughter who is an administrator of a community hospital has said that the hospital is now running at almost full capacity whereas before it was often below 50 percent. It's financially sound thanks to that. Community hospitals do net get funded by the government... much of their revenue comes from community support in the form of donations. In less affluent areas many had to close their doors or run short staffed and work with outdated equipment
Ryan may surprise everyone by coming up with a sustainable alternative to Obamacare, which is not the sole answer to the provision of health care. It's noteworthy that your community hospital has no patients paying for their care with Medicare/Medicaid/BlueCross/BlueShield/Aetna/UHC or any of the other usual payers.
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:29 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Each side thinks the other is frozen in time. Republicans see Democrats as living in the Roosevelt era using FDR's prescriptions for the economy and Democrats see Republicans as still opposing their FDR prescriptions. We need to start thinking in 21st Century terms, and Bernie's brand of socialism isn't there, although to those who fall for populist solutions it's the cat's pajamas.
Ryan may surprise everyone by coming up with a sustainable alternative to Obamacare, which is not the sole answer to the provision of health care. It's noteworthy that your community hospital has no patients paying for their care with Medicare/Medicaid/BlueCross/BlueShield/Aetna/UHC or any of the other usual payers.
Ryan may surprise everyone by coming up with a sustainable alternative to Obamacare, which is not the sole answer to the provision of health care. It's noteworthy that your community hospital has no patients paying for their care with Medicare/Medicaid/BlueCross/BlueShield/Aetna/UHC or any of the other usual payers.
Putting the ACA out business would mean that thousands of people who had serious ailments could be dropped by their HMOS or people who had pre-existing medical conditions turned down by HMOs
Arent many Republicans Evangelicals? What's an Evangelical? A dude who goes to church every Sunday, knows the scriptures back to front, believes in the doctrines of Christianity, the teachings of Jesus Christ yet doesn't seem to give a damn about the people that aren't as fortunate as we are, who have wants and needs yet in a first world country, the world's richest most powerful nation cant get it?
The hypocrisy of the republican candidates is mind boggling. I'm not a religious person but why don't these "Evangelicals" stop for a moment and ask themselves "What would Jesus do"?
Don't hold your breath waiting for any alternative from the Republicans. It never happened and never will
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:30 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Obamacare had little effect on part-time employment: Study
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:35 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Is an endorsement from Sarah Palin going to Trump or Cruz? the Donald is hoping that he'll get it. That's a nomination winner if ever there was one 
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:47 am
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:49 am
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Jan 19th 2016, 4:53 am
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Jan 19th 2016, 5:10 am
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Jan 19th 2016, 6:32 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Each side thinks the other is frozen in time. Republicans see Democrats as living in the Roosevelt era using FDR's prescriptions for the economy and Democrats see Republicans as still opposing their FDR prescriptions. We need to start thinking in 21st Century terms, and Bernie's brand of socialism isn't there, although to those who fall for populist solutions it's the cat's pajamas.
Ryan may surprise everyone by coming up with a sustainable alternative to Obamacare, which is not the sole answer to the provision of health care. It's noteworthy that your community hospital has no patients paying for their care with Medicare/Medicaid/BlueCross/BlueShield/Aetna/UHC or any of the other usual payers.
Ryan may surprise everyone by coming up with a sustainable alternative to Obamacare, which is not the sole answer to the provision of health care. It's noteworthy that your community hospital has no patients paying for their care with Medicare/Medicaid/BlueCross/BlueShield/Aetna/UHC or any of the other usual payers.
She was fighter for the working class, the poor and racial equality, way ahead of her time. A great lady in every way. You should read her story if you get the chance
