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Steerpike Jan 13th 2016 4:13 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11834031)
So, they've finally figured out how to punish Hillary for Bill's transgressions. Will all the candidate's wives be held to the same standard when their cheating husbands (they all do it) are exposed?

Doesn't Trump must have some skeletons in his closet from a wives/mistresses standpoint - he does fit the profile!

Now if there were dirt on Cruz, that would be lovely !

zargof Jan 13th 2016 4:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11836259)
Doesn't Trump have some skeletons in his closet from a wives/mistresses standpoint - he does fit the profile!

Now if there were dirt on Cruz, that would be lovely !

Trump raped his wife. Cruz is Canadian.

dc koop Jan 13th 2016 4:27 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11836203)
Your position would have more credibility if, for example, the Republicans "repeal and replace" of Obamacare actually had a "replace" component. It doesn't. It merely consists of voting ad nauseam to scrap the ACA. The lack of an alternative illustrates that opposed to being a credible opposition they are merely interested in opposing Obama as opposed to coming up with credible alternative solutions to real problems. "Opposition" is about more than shouting "no".

That's right. Scrap everything and replace it with nothing. Beats me when I see old white seniors who have to live on Social Security checks spewing hatred of Obama and then voting Republican

Steerpike Jan 13th 2016 4:32 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11835844)
... It's likely the Dems will take back control of the Senate in the 2016 general...

What's your basis for that?

zargof Jan 13th 2016 4:57 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11836279)
What's your basis for that?

Democrats Hope Presidential Coattails Help Retake Senate - Bloomberg Politics

FlaviusAetius Jan 13th 2016 5:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11836279)
What's your basis for that?

About the Democrats regaining control of the Senate? McClatchy has the full article on the subject:

Landscape shifts: Democrats could take control of Senate | McClatchy DC

In short, the Rs have to defend 24 seats, seven of them in states that Obama carried in 2012. The Ds only 10, and only one of theirs is in danger. Six of the R seats are in danger and the Dems only have to win a net of 4 seats. McClatchy thinks Toomey is not in bad shape, but living in Pennsylvania, I think he may well lose.

Another poster suggested that the Rs should offer a reasonable bill to replace Obamacare if they want to override a veto. Ryan said the same thing. There are probably as many ideas on replacing it as there are proponents of replacing it. It doesn't matter what they come up with now, the Ds in the Senate will filibuster it to death and/or Obama would veto it to protect his signature ACA. Any replacement will have to await a Republican president with a majority in the Senate. Even then, any replacement programme would probably be filibustered to death.

I believe the only thing that can realistically be done with Obamacare is to amend and tinker it until it works. Same thing has happened with the NHS over the decades.

FlaviusAetius Jan 13th 2016 6:03 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 11836273)
That's right. Scrap everything and replace it with nothing. Beats me when I see old white seniors who have to live on Social Security checks spewing hatred of Obama and then voting Republican

Seniors aren't on Obamacare.

As for the silly remark, there's an equally silly saying that if you're young and voting Republican you have no heart, but if you're old and still voting Democrat you have no brain.

With my wife going through cancer treatment, I've been in a lot of waiting rooms for the past year and the people in them are constantly complaining about Obama - but I don't think they are "spewing hatred." (Yesterday the TV in the waiting room for the chemo center was tuned to the news, they were showing Obama's SotU address and this kicked off lively and universally negative responses from the patients.) I've also yet to hear ANY doctors, among them PCPs, cancer and cardiac specialists, say anything supportive about Obamacare. Ask your PCP or specialist, in a neutral way please, whether he or she thinks Obamacare has improved things for doctors and patients and listen carefully to what he or she says.

Shard Jan 13th 2016 6:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11836346)
Seniors aren't on Obamacare.

As for the silly remark, there's an equally silly saying that if you're young and voting Republican you have no heart, but if you're old and still voting Democrat you have no brain.

With my wife going through cancer treatment, I've been in a lot of waiting rooms for the past year and the people in them are constantly complaining about Obama - but I don't think they are "spewing hatred." I've also yet to hear ANY doctors, among them cancer and cardiac specialists, say anything supportive about Obamacare. Ask your specialist, in a neutral way please, whether he thinks Obamacare has improved things for doctors and patients and listen carefully to what he or she says.

I've heard that saying before, but never really understood it? What's more, my own political persuasion has drifted leftward with the years, as I gained wisdom and compassion.

dc koop Jan 13th 2016 6:13 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11836346)
Seniors aren't on Obamacare.

As for the silly remark, there's an equally silly saying that if you're young and voting Republican you have no heart, but if you're old and still voting Democrat you have no brain.

With my wife going through cancer treatment, I've been in a lot of waiting rooms for the past year and the people in them are constantly complaining about Obama - but I don't think they are "spewing hatred." (Yesterday the TV in the waiting room for the chemo center was tuned to the news, they were showing Obama's SotU address and this kicked off lively and universally negative responses from the patients.) I've also yet to hear ANY doctors, among them PCPs, cancer and cardiac specialists, say anything supportive about Obamacare. Ask your PCP or specialist, in a neutral way please, whether he or she thinks Obamacare has improved things for doctors and patients and listen carefully to what he or she says.

I know seniors are not on ACA care but if the GOP manage to dismantle the ACA their next target will be Social Security and Medicare, probably privatizing both to the point of oblivion

Giantaxe Jan 13th 2016 6:15 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11836346)
Ask your PCP or specialist, in a neutral way please, whether he or she thinks Obamacare has improved things for doctors and patients and listen carefully to what he or she says.

Most doctors have the commonsense not to get involved in "political" discussions with their patients. And the ones that do engage probably say stuff they think their patient wants to hear.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 13th 2016 6:42 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11836359)
Most doctors have the commonsense not to get involved in "political" discussions with their patients. And the one's that do engage probably say stuff they think their patient wants to hear.

I have Doctors and Surgeons I know socially.

One certainly would like a Bernie scheme. Nobody likes the current system, one has decided to give it up, too much hassle.

Anian Jan 13th 2016 6:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
General doctors I can see being affected, but how has it affected surgeons?

Steerpike Jan 13th 2016 7:30 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
I've recently transitioned from a Group Health plan (employer provided) to a private / individual plan that is ACA 'compliant'. The ACA plan is about the same cost as the Group plan was under Cobra, but the deductibles are way worse/higher.

Pre-ACA, people transitioning from Group plans were hit with either complete denial of coverage (due to pre-existing conditions), or sky-high premiums, so it was really shitty before. ACA hasn't magically fixed all that, but at least now, you can't be denied and the plans cover a basic set of needs. Logically, ACA was a tolerable 'first pass' and - if the Republicans would 'play ball' - should have been tweaked and improved incrementally since it first came out, but the Republicans are so hell-bent on complete failure for it that they won't participate in meaningful, constructive efforts to improve. So we are stuck with it as it was out of the gate.

But the bigger reality is - the vast majority of Americans are still covered by Group-style plans from their workplace, and don't have any real insight into how individual coverage was, or is, provided. I think most people are listening to the sound-bites put out by Faux Noise.

sir_eccles Jan 13th 2016 7:56 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11836445)
I've recently transitioned from a Group Health plan (employer provided) to a private / individual plan that is ACA 'compliant'. The ACA plan is about the same cost as the Group plan was under Cobra, but the deductibles are way worse/higher.

Pre-ACA, people transitioning from Group plans were hit with either complete denial of coverage (due to pre-existing conditions), or sky-high premiums, so it was really shitty before. ACA hasn't magically fixed all that, but at least now, you can't be denied and the plans cover a basic set of needs. Logically, ACA was a tolerable 'first pass' and - if the Republicans would 'play ball' - should have been tweaked and improved incrementally since it first came out, but the Republicans are so hell-bent on complete failure for it that they won't participate in meaningful, constructive efforts to improve. So we are stuck with it as it was out of the gate.

But the bigger reality is - the vast majority of Americans are still covered by Group-style plans from their workplace, and don't have any real insight into how individual coverage was, or is, provided. I think most people are listening to the sound-bites put out by Faux Noise.

Particularly so for some very large union brokered plans. This is not a dig at unions, they are just looking out for their own. Some of the plans I've seen are very very cheap and when your whole family has been in union jobs for years you can be very unaware of what it is like for others.

I recall talking to a friend way back when I lived in NYC. The MTA subway drivers were threatening to strike, some of their demands were outrageous in terms of healthcare etc. The friend worked for the NY public library system and her husband worked on broadway, both heavy union jobs. They were utterly shocked to hear how much my group insurance cost, thought I was making it up.

username.exe Jan 13th 2016 9:28 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11836263)
Cruz is Canadian.

That's the only thing he's got going for him.


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