British Expats - 2016 Election

It gets tiring pretty quickly, doesn't it?

I think Sanders shares many similarities with FDR, who America elected four times, so we'll see how this one plays out.

I think "America would never elect a socialist" is only half the argument. The other half of the argument being that these early polls (especially the national ones) are not really giving the true picture of who is electable. Analysts then fall back on intangibles such as endorsements in which Bernie lags far behind.

SultanOfSwing

Jan 12th 2016 5:45 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11835294)

Ultimately, we won't know for sure until the results of the primary, but I do feel he's a lot more electable than he's given credit for, should he win that.

Jerseygirl

Jan 12th 2016 5:46 am

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11835203)

Love all the Hillary hate from certain individuals on here... it makes me realize I'm correct in liking her.

New Hampshire's proximity to Vermont is the significant factor, not that it is white.

Stop it...you will make me. Poor woman. :cry_smile:

There's plenty on the other side I don't like either...but she is particularly obnoxious.

scrubbedexpat099

Jan 12th 2016 6:00 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11835298)

There's plenty on the other side I don't like either...but she is particularly obnoxious.

:goodpost::amen:

Giantaxe

Jan 12th 2016 6:41 am

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11835245)

It's just the "America would never elect a Socialist" trope. Just like America would never elect a Catholic, or America would never elect a Kenyan Communist Muslim - err I mean America would never elect a black man.

I voted for Obama in the '08 primary precisely because I felt that the country was ready to accept a black president and that he would likely be more electable than another Clinton. I like Sanders a lot, but I don't feel the same way about him. As for the general election polls, I think they're essentially meaningless at this point.

Giantaxe

Jan 12th 2016 7:01 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11835293)

Exactly...and let's face it had her husband not been Bill Clinton...she wouldn't even have been a senator.

So a woman with a successful husband can't do anything on her own merits?

amideislas

Jan 12th 2016 7:30 am

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It would be interesting to see Trump vs. Sanders in the general election. IMO, both are for all intents and purposes, "unelectable" (at least by American standards). One too arrogant and dogmatic, the other far too liberal. Both with near-zero experience in actual politics, particularly international politics, where I suspect neither would command any respect at all.

SultanOfSwing

Jan 12th 2016 7:36 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11835398)

IBoth with near-zero experience in actual politics ...

Bernie Sanders served in the US House of Representatives for 16 years, and has served in the US Senate for almost 10 years. I'd say being a part of the legislative branch of the United States government for over 25 years is a bit more than near-zero experience in US politics.

Trump, on the other hand, well I flushed something more fit to govern the US than him down the bog this morning.

dc koop

Jan 12th 2016 7:41 am

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11835224)

I hadn't noticed the New Year's tightening in the polls in IA so that's a fair point. I think Clinton has always expected to lose New Hampshire though.

I just don't see Sanders as electable.

Why not?

Jerseygirl

Jan 12th 2016 7:43 am

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11835366)

So a woman with a successful husband can't do anything on her own merits?

Not that particular woman...no I don't for a moment think she would have become a senator or SOS without Bill. Anyone that does is delusional IMO. :p

To be fair and balanced...same probably applies to the Bush brothers.

Giantaxe

Jan 12th 2016 7:57 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11835415)

Not that particular woman...no I don't for a moment think she would have become a senator or SOS without Bill. Anyone that does is delusional IMO. :p

Being Bill's wife can be construed as an obstacle as well as a benefit. After all, the Clinton haters are still with us 20 years after Bill was President. Additionally, she won New York with 55% of the vote, which means she must have garnered a considerable amount of independent and possibly Republican support. She was also re-elected with a hugely increased majority in '06.

dc koop

Jan 12th 2016 7:58 am

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Is Trump more electable than Sanders? I think not

Jerseygirl

Jan 12th 2016 8:01 am

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11835424)

Clinton haters...Hillary haters...are we still at school?

Oh please! Without Bill she would never, ever have achieved political office.

Giantaxe

Jan 12th 2016 8:04 am