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Old Dec 28th 2015 | 4:28 am
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Old Dec 28th 2015 | 4:32 am
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Okay, so Donald Trump said Hillary got "schlonged" and said that Hillary going to the bathroom was "disgusting". Hillary hits back with accusing Donald Trump of being sexist (he is) and now Donald is saying Hillary better be careful when she is playing the "woman card" because he'll invoke the piggishness of Bill Clinton.

I think the Bill Clinton connection is tenuous at best. However, I do think it's an interesting topic. Should Hillary be careful when throwing out accusations of sexism? I thought she completely missed the plot a while back when she accused Bernie of making a sexist remark.

During his campaigns, Obama, despite being on the receiving end of so much racist vitriol, would never give into the temptation of playing the race card. He was constantly accused of playing the race card (by crazy people) but actually never did, quite to the dismay of some of his base. Later, after the second election, he became a little more honest, "Yes, I'm actually black." about race and racism.

So, my question to the brain trust, how does Hillary navigate the sexism issue?
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 4:34 am
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Do spainards have to pay for healthcare?
Yes, like anywhere else, I reckon. Except the UK. But then, that's rather semantic, since the NHS costs £80 bil for UK taxpayers, of which the "wealthy" pay the bulk. But in the UK, wealth is allowed, and even encouraged to a certain extent.
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 4:39 am
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Okay, so Donald Trump said Hillary got "schlonged" and said that Hillary going to the bathroom was "disgusting". Hillary hits back with accusing Donald Trump of being sexist (he is) and now Donald is saying Hillary better be careful when she is playing the "woman card" because he'll invoke the piggishness of Bill Clinton.

I think the Bill Clinton connection is tenuous at best. However, I do think it's an interesting topic. Should Hillary be careful when throwing out accusations of sexism? I thought she completely missed the plot a while back when she accused Bernie of making a sexist remark.

During his campaigns, Obama, despite being on the receiving end of so much racist vitriol, would never give into the temptation of playing the race card. He was constantly accused of playing the race card (by crazy people) but actually never did, quite to the dismay of some of his base. Later, after the second election, he became a little more honest, "Yes, I'm actually black." about race and racism.

So, my question to the brain trust, how does Hillary navigate the sexism issue?
Hillary has a "difficult" adversary in Trump (presuming he wins the nomination, which is still far from sure). I think she should shrug it off and only play that card if things get desperate - because bringing it to light is a sign of desperation. However, if she were to "nip it", better to do it now. Later, it will be a sign of desperation...

I would like to believe voters can tell the difference. Forget the polls. Take the high road and leave the rubbish for voters to decide.

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Old Dec 28th 2015 | 4:52 am
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Hillary has a "difficult" adversary in Trump (presuming he wins the nomination, which is still far from sure). I think she should shrug it off and only play that card if things get desperate - because bringing it to light is a sign of desperation. However, if she were to "nip it", better to do it now. Later, it will be a sign of desperation...

I would like to believe voters can tell the difference. Forget the polls. Take the high road and leave the rubbish for voters to decide.
I don't disagree but it's annoying to me that everybody is expected to go by the normal rules of decent behavior EXCEPT Donald Trump. He rants and raves and plays the victim and nobody bats an eye.
 
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I think there's a certain "trap" she could draw him into. Let him believe she's a push-over, and at the end of the day, let him have it with both barrels. Deflate his balloon with one or two sound bytes.

I don't mean to make it sound easy, but she already has the edge. Let it play out, let his ego destroy him.
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas
I think there's a certain "trap" she could draw him into. Let him believe she's a push-over, and at the end of the day, let him have it with both barrels. Deflate his balloon with one or two sound bytes.

I don't mean to make it sound easy, but she already has the edge. Let it play out, let his ego destroy him.
It can't, it really can't. He's developed such a thick skin over so many decades, that now being a boorish loudmouth is his personality.
 
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Not that long ago, I watched a segment on BBC news, where they went around to people in the street in the US, and asked if they liked Trump. The overwhelming answer was "oh yes, he tells it like it is".

But when asked if they'd vote for him, the answers ranged from " oh.. no I don't think so" to "not as president, no" to "yes, of course".

I think the polls don't actually tell the whole story.

Just for the record, Hillary certainly isn't an Obama, but I do believe she has the edge over the republicans. I believe it would bettter serve her campaign to stay more centrist rather than drifting left to counter the Bernie phenomenon.
 
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I don't disagree but it's annoying to me that everybody is expected to go by the normal rules of decent behavior EXCEPT Donald Trump. He rants and raves and plays the victim and nobody bats an eye.
I was watching some Trump analysis on the news last night, and they replayed some of the personal insults he has thrown out from his recent rallies. It's not just the fact that people aren't batting eyelids, rather he has admirers as a result of his behavior and ignorance.

Regardless of your political beliefs, it's got to be disheartening watching thousands of people laugh and praise him as he mocks demeans other people.
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas
. I believe it would bettter serve her campaign to stay more centrist rather than drifting left to counter the Bernie phenomenon.
There are two campaigns to be President, the strategies usually change to reflect that.
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 5:41 am
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I was watching some Trump analysis on the news last night, and they replayed some of the personal insults he has thrown out from his recent rallies. It's not just the fact that people aren't batting eyelids, rather he has admirers as a result of his behavior and ignorance.

Regardless of your political beliefs, it's got to be disheartening watching thousands of people laugh and praise him as he mocks demeans other people.
It's quite depressing. If it were just something he did occasionally, throw out some zingers and then get back to policy, it would be different. But this is what he does all day every day. How can they not get sick of it? He treats the whole election like a twitter war and people admire him?
 
Old Dec 28th 2015 | 5:50 am
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It's quite depressing. If it were just something he did occasionally, throw out some zingers and then get back to policy, it would be different. But this is what he does all day every day. How can they not get sick of it? He treats the whole election like a twitter war and people admire him?
It could be a very vocal and publicity seeking minority. A bit like the Scotland vote, where the independence campaign was so loud and media driven that most thought it highly probably they would win, but in the end the quiet majority played their hand.
 
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It could be a very vocal and publicity seeking minority. A bit like the Scotland vote, where the independence campaign was so loud and media driven that most thought it highly probably they would win, but in the end the quiet majority played their hand.
I have to believe that in order to keep from losing my ****ing mind.
 
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Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The polls in the UK elections slated Miliband as a "possible" winner, and at least, the Tories would have to form a coalition. We now know how that turned out.

Miliband's biggest mistake was making all sorts of exaggerated claims, very much the same as Trump is doing.

Honestly, British voters really aren't any brighter than American or European voters. They are all victims of what the media tells them. But they did identify certain exaggerations... At the end of the day, I expect American voters to be similar, despite the "polls".

We shall see...

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Old Dec 28th 2015 | 6:03 am
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The cross party debate will make a difference too. It's one thing debating fellow GOP cronies, many of whom are equally moronic, and quite another debating the Dems on polarising issues. The truth will out!
 


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