More nonsense.

Sorry HBG but your never ending completely unsubstantiated scare stories about what would happen if the UK left the EU simply continue to destroy your own credibility.

I find it hard to accept that you could even seriously believe them yourself.

Not one of us knows exactly what would happen, but the plain fact is that Spain would have a great deal more to lose if it ever occurred than the UK and they would be extremely foolish not to bend over backwards to agree reciprocal arrangements rather than kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

But I fear that you are preaching to the unpreachable.

Oh, well, now that the flakier end of the forum has resorted to insults it appears the sensible discussion is over. It's a pity, but it's a big topic which divides the country pretty much down the middle.

Nobody can predict the outcome of such a vote three years away, it might be just a simple matter of old versus young voters. There could even be another Lehmans, or even a war? A war seems unlikely now that we're all on the same side.

Still, us expats have three years to prepare, and house prices are finally rising again, though not by a lot. So far.

(There is a solution a few expats with overwhelming commitments to Spain are discussing and it's quite a simple one. Any expat who has lived in Spain for more than ten years can apply for Spanish nationality, and it's one of the few things that are free).

Insults, what insults? I've even attempted to take some of the flack off you for your 'visa' comment and you came back with an inference as to how clever the million UK ex pats were to get out of the UK, and how stupid the ones that stayed were.You also appear to consider that UK voters should vote with your comforts in mind, what about their comforts?

I recall attending a lecture on changing nationality, it appears that in 99% of cases this does not change your place of domicile. Would your state pension still be payable if you opted for Spanish nationality? I have no idea but suggest that you find out.

¡Es como predicar en el desierto!

I would be interested to see what percentage have already or will take up this option.

I have done it, but not in Spain

A bit like the poster complaining about not being able vote on a UK referendum, he´s bragged many times he´ll never return to UK, so why does he think he should have a vote on what goes on there? Oh I know, he seems to think he'll be better off in the EU, he doesn't care a jot what happens to UK, just to him. It's the typical selfish me me attitude that many expats have, the average Brit will be voting for what's best for 60 million plus UK inhabitants, not what happens to a handful of selfish expats.

I've asked the question a few times before, but given the absence of any positive replies, I can only assume it's a big fat zero! Anyone? There are those happy to tell us how they hate UK, never intend to move back there, so why would they want to hang onto the little old red passport?

How to apply for Spanish citizenship

http://www.expatica.com/es/essential...nal_18245.html

The ex Belgium PM, Guy Verhofstadt, who is in the running for EU President shares some of his thoughts. Probably a few here that will agree with all these!
"A Europe of nations is a relic of the past".
"The European Constitution was rejected, not because it was too ambitious, but because it was not ambitious enough".
"Europe must become an empire - in the good sense of the word."
"We absolutely need political and economic union to create peace, wealth and stability for our citizens."
"European foreign policy will only be credible if there is a European army."
"More European integration is the only solution to survive. We must re-invent sovereignty at a European level."
"The ultimate consequence of identity thinking is the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
"If the British Government wants to make savings, it can join the euro."
"A victory for the pro-Europeans at the 2014 elections must herald the creation of a federal Europe."
"Cameron is like a madman, threatening to blow himself up unless he gets his own way."
"It's pathetic that France & Britain won't consider merging their seats at the UN Security Council into one for the EU."
"The crucial point for the emergence of a European democracy is taxation."

I love the one about UK joining the euro, I bet there's a few countries sorry they ever did. Best move we ever made. not joining the euro.

Not one voter will be voting for the other 60 million, they will vote, for themselves and where their individual beliefs take them.
I am an expat, who after travelling many years, coincidently found a job in Germany.
I had met my wife also German years before, so no spouse pressure .

My 1st 2 children, though never lived in England, but as youngsters travelled the world and enjoy, their English connections.
My other 2 kids, have seen other lands, but both would say roots German, but feel Like their older bro + sis .European.
My wife is happy being in her homeland, and her country is her family....and she is happy being German.
When they vote, like all people they vote not for others, but for the party they want to
see make positive changes in the society has they see their belief can be better presented and projected.

Short and silly video - what has Europe ever done for us?

I presume Angela Merkel will then be the first Emperor of the United States of Europe.


funny how the subject of balancing the books and getting a positive audit report don't come into things - but why change the habit of a lifetime.

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I was watching TV over the weekend and reference was made to the quote by Cameron that the allies victory in ww1 pprevented Prussian domination of Europe.
One of the pundits commented that Merkel is a typical Prussian and that despite 2 world wars Prussia now dominates Europe.

Since joining the EU, the UK has lost the following:-

It's steel industry

Most of it's heavy engineering industry

Most of it's car manufacturing industry

Most of it's motor cycle industry

It's ship building industry

It's coal mining industry

This all happened on the EU's watch, it could have course just be a set of coincidences.