They're all useless.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:04 pm
#49
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Re: They're all useless.
To be fair to some unemployed,
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:13 pm
#50
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Re: They're all useless.
The fact that we still have so many able ppl who are unwilling to work and can afford not to do so simply emphasises what a Nanny state the UK has become and why so many would be immigrants risk their necks to reach our shores.
Why not gradually reduce the benefits of those unwilling to work to a point where it's in their own best interests to do so ?
I doubt very much they'd continue to refuse work to a point where they begin to feel hunger pangs.
Why not gradually reduce the benefits of those unwilling to work to a point where it's in their own best interests to do so ?
I doubt very much they'd continue to refuse work to a point where they begin to feel hunger pangs.
I know of a woman with 4 kids, lives in private rental, takes home the eqvt of over £24k salary before tax. She hasnt worked for over 15 years (the age of her eldest) and the youngest is 18m old. What incentive to work, but is quite happy to go to nightclubs on a Friday and Saturday with sister who is in the same situation. Her "boyfriend" lives with her, works as a security guard, but is on the electoral roll at his grandparents house. That way they keep the snoops from the door. So as a welfare family have over £40k coming in, 48inch tele, full surround sound, american fridge and freezer,
Explain that to the little old lady a few doors down who cannot afford to heat her house except the room she lives and sleeps in. Winter fuel payment doesnt go far when you live with a 2kw bar heater and cannot afford to heat the water to wash yourself and clothes, as much as you want to.
The question is who would be most hurt by your reduction in benefits, which are a one size fits all.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:17 pm
#51
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Re: They're all useless.
understand Dick but that would lead to a problem because reducing the benefits would hit those who need them as well as those who can't live without them (if that make sense).
I know of a woman with 4 kids, lives in private rental, takes home the eqvt of over £24k salary before tax. She hasnt worked for over 15 years (the age of her eldest) and the youngest is 18m old. What incentive to work, but is quite happy to go to nightclubs on a Friday and Saturday with sister who is in the same situation. Her "boyfriend" lives with her, works as a security guard, but is on the electoral roll at his grandparents house. That way they keep the snoops from the door. So as a welfare family have over £40k coming in, 48inch tele, full surround sound, american fridge and freezer,
Explain that to the little old lady a few doors down who cannot afford to heat her house except the room she lives and sleeps in. Winter fuel payment doesnt go far when you live with a 2kw bar heater and cannot afford to heat the water to wash yourself and clothes, as much as you want to.
The question is who would be most hurt by your reduction in benefits, which are a one size fits all.
I know of a woman with 4 kids, lives in private rental, takes home the eqvt of over £24k salary before tax. She hasnt worked for over 15 years (the age of her eldest) and the youngest is 18m old. What incentive to work, but is quite happy to go to nightclubs on a Friday and Saturday with sister who is in the same situation. Her "boyfriend" lives with her, works as a security guard, but is on the electoral roll at his grandparents house. That way they keep the snoops from the door. So as a welfare family have over £40k coming in, 48inch tele, full surround sound, american fridge and freezer,
Explain that to the little old lady a few doors down who cannot afford to heat her house except the room she lives and sleeps in. Winter fuel payment doesnt go far when you live with a 2kw bar heater and cannot afford to heat the water to wash yourself and clothes, as much as you want to.
The question is who would be most hurt by your reduction in benefits, which are a one size fits all.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:21 pm
#52
Joined: Jan 2010
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Re: They're all useless.
I watch all the news channels on TV, I am an avid news reader infact, and often read news on line.
Let me make it clear to you what I said "I have not seen an english news paper for years" that would obviously translate to not buying one either.
I know all this because it's exactly how it was when I left years ago.
Don't tell me it's gotten any better, and now everyone looking for a job will get a contract and supermarkets don't have shifts of part timers all day every day, oh and all agenices have closed down. Coz I won't believe you.
Last edited by anonimouse; Nov 9th 2011 at 8:34 pm.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:21 pm
#53
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Re: They're all useless.
To be fair to some unemployed,
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
My arguement was how can you expect to retain a good, diligent worker being paid NMW for a night shift. It took me 5 years of small increments but I did manage to get them out of the pit. Good staff are hard to come by and it should be recognised within the budget forecast irrespective. Why pay the day office staff a 7% increase but the people who maintain the security of a 24 hour operation only 1% increase.
rant over
rgds
Nov 9th 2011, 8:24 pm
#54
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Re: They're all useless.
restricting a household of 6 kids would be discrimination
they all need the same amount to feed and clothe them irrespective
Nov 9th 2011, 8:27 pm
#55
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Re: They're all useless.
Yes, but to do a J Kyle, why have 'em if you can't afford 'em? (and yes, yes, I know this doesn't apply to all larger families but it sure as heck does to more than some....)
Nov 9th 2011, 8:30 pm
#56
Joined: Jun 2011
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Re: They're all useless.
To be fair to some unemployed,
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
The Government makes rules and companies find loopholes to get around them.
Too many Major stores and companies only take on part time staff or agency workers to save money.
The Uk has become full of employment agencies. Agency workers, many (not all) have no contracts and can be simply told we don't need you tomorrow and that's their job gone. No holiday pay, sick or NI to pay.
I wonder if this is why many don't want to work for them, unsociable hours at normal rates isn't fair either. I believe it when they say theres jobs out there, I think they are mostly this type.
All temp staff are employed by the agency who have to take tax and NI from their salaries, issueing P45 when a period of employment ceases.
Holidays should also be included, but unlike perm staff they can take it as cash payment if it is only a few days.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:35 pm
#58
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Re: They're all useless.
Ok R.sole, (while you call me Rodney and I refer to you as this) if working people cant afford 6 kids why should someone without a job be able to, and get more and more money with no limit on family size without being accountable and being made to pay in some way for supporting their own brood.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:36 pm
#59
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Re: They're all useless.
It is a lifestyle, if she is getting say, £15k pa tax free, plus the income from the live in (but registered elsewhere) boyfriend at say £20k, then it is clover time.
they have no "skills" but could tell you they have motherhood, dealing with small children, balancing tight budgets, etc etc, just no use in a real time company environment. One I met didnt even know what Microsoft Office Suite was, it was after her time. But had a better mobile than I did. She had a contract, me on PAYGO.
Nov 9th 2011, 8:37 pm
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Re: They're all useless.
Ok R.sole, (while you call me Rodney and I refer to you as this) if working people cant afford 6 kids why should someone without a job be able to, and get more and more money with no limit on family size without being accountable and being made to pay in some way for supporting their own brood.
