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Old Feb 24th 2015, 11:06 am
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European Statism Proves Why Big Government Doesn’t Work


“France, Germany and Italy have joined forces to outlaw tax competition between EU countries in a letter to the European Commission. …the language and tone in the joint letter to the new Economic and Taxation Commissioner, Pierre Moscovici, is much more aggressive than in the past. …the letter from the finance ministers of the eurozone’s three largest economies says that ‘the lack of tax harmonisation in the European Union is one of the main causes allowing aggressive tax planning, base erosion and profit-shifting to develop.’ …Vanessa Mock, commission spokeswoman said Mr Moscovici ‘welcomes these significant contributions to the work being carried out by the commission.’”
And here are the most recent numbers from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), showing “average individual consumption” <REF: Net national income per capita> for various member nations of that international bureaucracy.

The average for all OECD nations is 100, and the average for eurozone nations is 96, so the U.S. score of 147...

The only nations that are even close to the United States have oil (like Norway) or are low-tax international financial centers (such as Luxembourg and Switzerland).
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 11:12 am
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We are going to the states in a couple of weeks to the deep south in one of the poorest states in the Union.
I will ask our friends and their contemporaries if they believe that it is the land of milk and honey.
If those living on welfare in trailer parks and basic shacks are benefitting from the trickle down theory.
If they agree that the US economy is forging ahead of the EU,s.

Looking at official US goverment figures the last increase in mean incomes was 2007, in some racial groups longer than that.
There are also wide racial and regional differences in mean incomes , level so poverty etc.
UNICEF 2013 the US has the second highest levels of child poverty in the developed world/
2012 US official figures over 20% of children live beow the poverty standards
My point is simply this we can all trade figures to prove our own viewpoint or disprove anothers.

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Old Feb 24th 2015, 12:25 pm
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Well, the figures speak for themselves.

Anyway, I think it's very honourable of you to make a charitable "slum" visit, just to verify that your notions of trailer parks and abject poverty are really as bad as you want to believe. Good job we pay lots of tax to prevent Europeans from ever being subjected to that kind of poverty.

Just out of curiosity, where is it that you will be visiting?

Here?


or here?


or here?


or here?


or here?


or here?
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 12:44 pm
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Well, the figures speak for themselves.

Anyway, I think it's very honourable of you to make a charitable "slum" visit, just to verify that your notions of trailer parks and abject poverty are really as bad as you want to believe. Good job we pay lots of tax to prevent Europeans from ever being subjected to that kind of poverty.

Just out of curiosity, where is it that you will be visiting?

Here?
http://www.west-info.eu/files/11.01....BLD_Online.jpg

or here?
http://www.mo-berlin.com/wp-content/...-Postillon.jpg

or here?
http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/wp-c...storyimage.jpg

or here?
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...t-in-paris.jpg

or here?
http://assets2.neurope.eu/sites/defa...4dbf1cd3f1c4b0

or here?
http://www.puglialife.com/uploads/4f...a4d81043fc.jpg
There was me trying to have a serious discussion, Wrong again !!

I agree the figures from the US government regarding incomes and poverty levels do speak for themselves.
No doubt you will now say that the US government has got it wrong .

I am sure those I will be meeting and speaking to next month will appreciate
being referred to a slum dwellers.
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UNICEF 2013 the US has the second highest levels of child poverty in the developed world/
2012 US official figures over 20% of children live beow the poverty standards
My point is simply this we can all trade figures to prove our own viewpoint or disprove anothers.
I presume you are referring to this Unicef report.


A new report by the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) shows that 2.6 million children have sunk below the poverty line in the world’s most affluent countries since the crisis fist broke in 2008, bringing the total number of children in the developed world living in poverty to an estimated 76.5 million.

In 23 of the 41 affluent countries analysed, child poverty has increased since 2008. In Ireland, Croatia, Latvia, Greece and Iceland, rates rose by over 50%.

In Greece, 2012 median household incomes for families with children sank to 1998 levels – the equivalent of a loss of 14 years of income progress. By this measure Ireland, Luxembourg and Spain lost a decade; Iceland lost 9 years; and Italy, Hungary and Portugal lost 8.

The recession has hit 15-24 year olds especially hard, with the number of NEETs ("Not in Education, Employment, or Training") rising dramatically in many countries. In the European Union 7.5 million young people (almost equivalent to the population of Switzerland) were classified as NEET in 2013.

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Have a nice trip.
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas
I presume you are referring to this Unicef report.
If is the one that states that the US has the second highest % of children living in poverty in any developed country .

There is a big difference to being a " Neet " to a child living in poverty.

US government figures also showed that Hispanic and Black incomes had also declined in one case to 1999 levels.

As I said you can post your figures and others will post theirs from US government statistics such as the census etc,
Where did yours come from.?
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:09 pm
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US government figures also showed that Hispanic and Black incomes had also declined in one case to 1999 levels.
Yes, I know. Racism is another one of those "only in America" things. Good job we don't have that either.



Originally Posted by EMR
Where did yours come from.?
Unicef.

But no doubt they are wrong, too. They must be. After all, we pay lots of tax to prevent things like this. And as you point out, that's what distinguishes us from those impoverished Americans.

But if Unicef isn't good enough, how about the WHO? (JFYI: I don't mean Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend)

Rising numbers of children living in poverty across Europe

“The number of children living in relative poverty is rapidly growing in all Member States. This directly affects their health and well-being by leading to ill health, shorter life expectancy and lack of opportunities in adulthood. We owe it to our children to give them the best start in life, and to allow them to live healthy and safe lives until they reach adulthood,” says Zsuzsanna Jakab, WHO Regional Director for Europe.

Rapidly increasing inequality in every Member State

The European Region includes not only countries with the lowest number of infant and child deaths in the world but also those where children are 25 times more likely to die before age 5. In addition, mortality varies not only between but within countries. Child poverty is a risk factor for poor health even in high-income countries, and inequality is growing.

More than half of deaths among children aged under 5 years result from diseases that simple, affordable, proven measures can prevent or treat.
Each year, almost 1 million children in the Region do not receive all their scheduled vaccinations, resulting in 90 000 cases of measles and 70 000 cases of rubella being reported in the past three years.

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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:18 pm
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So you do agree that the Unicef and US government figures etc etc are correct and that the US is not Narnia and is no better in some things or no worse in others than the rest of developed world.
Where did rascism come into it, the difference incomes for differet ethnic groups relates to levels of education,living standards, job opportunities.
Where we are going is a large majority white area and has some of the poorest in the US, a situation that has existed since statistics were collected.
Is race a reason for their economic condition ??

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Not at all.

In fact, so far, it is >you< that has vigorously argued how our system is so much better, and justifies the high taxation and other burdens we are subjected to.

Yet Europe isn't Narnia either, is it? In fact, it's failing before our very eyes, unlike others who manage more sensibly, and are demonstrably growing.

My argument is that we don't have it better, and in fact, it's all unsustainable, and has been for a long time.

So, you may argue that more of the same is the way forward, but I argue that until we put our arses back to work and start seriously earning rather than consuming our "entitlements", the credit card will eventually be declined.

And so far, both the numbers and the consequences are pretty clear, as I have illustrated with reality, not the idealism you subscribe to.

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Not at all.

In fact, so far, it is >you< that has vigorously argued how our system is so much better, and justifies the high taxation and other burdens we are subjected to.

Yet Europe isn't Narnia either, is it? In fact, it's failing before our very eyes, unlike others who manage more sensibly, and are demonstrably growing.

My argument is that we don't have it better, and in fact, it's all unsustainable, and has been for a long time.

So, you may argue that more of the same is the way forward, but I argue that until we put our arses back to work and start seriously earning rather than consuming our "entitlements", the credit card will eventually be declined.

And so far, both the numbers and the consequences are pretty clear.
I do believe that a society based on socialist rather than pure capitalist principles is better.
That overall life for everyone of ll classes income levels etc is better in Europe than in the US.
You believe that this is not sustainable I disagree.
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:47 pm
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Nice idealistic sentiment (and I'd argue is precisely what's brought us to this point), but reality is a very different thing. And we could use a bit more of that around here (well, we needed realism more than a decade ago, but that's history now).

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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:52 pm
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The Federal Government needs taxes so it can interfere in the affairs of foreign states ! Aircraft carriers are EXPENSIVE.
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Old Feb 24th 2015, 1:54 pm
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I wasn't aware the EU had aircraft carriers. But they spend all kinds of money on shit they don't need. No surprise, though, despite the fact that defence has traditionally been paid for by someone else (well, we are entitled after all). Probably just another vanity project.

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Now you are being silly .The " Federal state of Europe ship " sank long ago.
Unlike the carrier US fleets.
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