rachelk

While I am sure there is a lot of resentment and even hatred among some of the spanish, I don't think that should be taken as representative of the population as a whole, and I'm sorry if that's been your experience here.

In just the same way, while you can read/hear Brits in the UK giving their opinions on how all the woes of the british economy are down to immigrants doesn't mean that the whole population hates them.

People are individuals

Madridboy

Yes you are!

Doesn't mean it's a good thing, just because we can doesn't mean we should!

Leave them too it
Just exactly how is the economy of the UK benefited from this and how do companies "buck up" to compete?
I've never heard anyone complain they are "underskilled", I welcome skilled workers where there is a shortage, I don't welcome boat loads of people coming over to do the jobs that the average worker was happily doing.
What do you consider a "good hourly wage"? I can only assume you have thought about the cost of living in those areas, possibly there wasn't a fair wage offered in the first place maybe, you tell me.



funny you should say that, I made a comment last night to my OH that I keep having to google basic words now as I´m getting confused with languages lol

JLFS

I think the main objection that the British have to immigrants coming in and taking their jobs, is a valid one.

The company can offer crap wages, because the immigrants will take the jobs and claim top up benefits to make up their wage to a liveable level.

Of course the top up money comes out of taxes which is always has been and mainly still is paid by the long term British workforce.
So in effect, the tax payer is subsidising the foreign worker with working tax credit etc, while at the same time seeing them undercut the local workforce.

The main difference between this and a Brit taking a Spaniards job is, that if the job is badly paid, there are not top up benefits, so the Spanish taxpayer is not being fleeced in the same way to support "incomers" who have not contributed to the system.

agoreira

Yes, I often get similar English and Spanish words the wrong way around, but how do you explain "North Hamptonshire"? There is no such county as Hamptonshire, north or south.

cricketman

The benefit argument is a valid point. Although there are plenty of Brits who are happy making a living of the back of that

I'm undecided about the benefit system and which is better, the British or the Spanish system

Madridboy

Northamptonshire

It's a sad state of affairs when your Spanish OH has to remind you how to spell as well.

agoreira

I agree. I have often heard the argument put forward that whilst they are working here they are paying tax into the system, but of course those on low wages pay very little tax, but are eligible for tax credits and child allowance etc. I'm no tax expert, but I'm guessing they stand to get a lot more back than they ever pay in.

steviedeluxe

Shame really though, isn't it? There's a Hampton Palace I understand, so maybe we should press for a North Hamptonshire...

JLFS

That is another valid point about the British who live of the system, and a good argument for the fact that, the British taxpayer is already supporting the home grown benefit claimants, without having to import more from other countries.

jackytoo

Love it They have such high-flying jobs too and spend most of their time on this forum, trawling jobsites or wikepedia.

Is no-one moderating this thread it is OFF TOPIC

The Polish do seem very good workers though

cricketman

It breaks up my day

Fred James

Yes, it is way off topic.

Let's keep to the original question otherwise I will close the thread.

chulo

One of the points in favor of the EU is the free movement of people and trade.

In fact the whole world.

Whilst its sad that people loose jobs, its not a right granted to everybody.

Work is meant to be found, not handed on a plate.

The days of generation after generation doing the same job for the same company went long ago.

Polish don`t just walk into work, its business and if they offer a service, then either beat it or move on.

Its a fact of business life, if you were to open a successful shop, within weeks a competitor is likely to open nearby.

Now there likely to be foreign.

Takeaways in the UK are a prime example, there is nothing wrong with an English fish shop selling Chinese Food, but do they, not likely.

Most now are Indian, Chinese and Kebabs, but at least the Arabs have learn`t business, most Kebab shops in my area sell Indian and Pizzas.

And now there all suffering because Asda`s (mainly) and Tesco now sell Insian and Chinese style takeaways for less and now the takeaways are selling up or closing down.

Soon I`ll be able to buy bog rolls in Mcdoners.

Fred James

OK, since you choose to ignore my request the thread is closed.