DLC

The Schengen agreement doesn't allow for a visa designed just for one specific country though.

Also this was in the news a year ago and things don't seem to have progressed very far. The quotes from a year ago are also practically the same only from a different minister.

Lou71

Very true. This is a very good and very comprehensive article from 2 years ago which shows it has hardly progressed at all:

Extending the 90 in 180-day rule for British in Spain - Bremain in Spain.

The latest developments in the French senate are nothing to get excited about because it is unlikely to get through their national assembly or the Schengen sniff test. In the unlikely event it does gain traction, it will be seriously watered down.

UKMS

I appreciate that none of us know how it will work 'if and when' the new system comes live, but I would see it as a big and serious failing if EU residents cant simply use an egate, any efficient immigration system should know who is a citizen, who is a resident, who holds a valid visa etc etc. Of course there will be a filter to a manual booth in case of problems (as there is at most large airports using egates) and of course there will be slightly different implimentations at larger and smaller ports but the basics should be there for EU residents to have a fluid experience and not be queing with passports, cards, papers etc. I would point out that it matters not for me as I am a non resident.

I also dont see why the non EU flow should be cumbersome particularly those not requiring a formal visa.

Other countries who have far stricter immigration rules / laws manage to be efficient, the EU should manage it particularly with a new shiny system if they dont its a failure.

Joppa

One problem that exists is there isn't just one EU-wide residence certificate/card, but each country issues its own. In Spain, for example, there is TIE which is now issued to non-EU citizens with residency, such as visa holders and British citizens who qualify under withdrawal agreement. Plus there is old green paper card or even older A4 sheet which certifies that the holder is EU citizen registered as residents. British citizens resident prior to mid 2020 have been issued with either and it's still valid - there is no obligation to change to the new TIE. So while the new TIE is machine readable and holder can presumably access e-gate from 2025, holders of older certificate will have to be manually processed. So unless every external border crossing point is equipped with special manned counter for residents, you risk being sent to a line for visa nationals.

Red Eric

Consider it a failure in that case :
Technical Study on Smart Borders - Final Report

UKMS

Compiled 10 years ago and written 9 years ago when technology was a world away from today. This just shows that it’s out of date before it’s been implemented. (As are many things that are implemented by organisations that turn at the speed of an oil tanker )

UKMS

I do understand that but if they are having a shared system someone can still be registered as a resident (on the shared system) according to that particular country. As for pieces of paper etc … I fully understand that but people would soon perhaps adopt a more modern attitude if travelling was made easier with a modern ID, it would perhaps ‘encourage’ people to update. There will always be edge cases and that’s what the manual system would be for. There always has to be provision for manual entries in case the egates fail (which I suspect they will quite often)

Red Eric

Of course. I just knew there'd be someone on here more qualified to commission, design and implement the system than those who were actually tasked with doing so.

Whenever the report was written and whatever decisions have been taken since, the EU Commission has much more recently confirmed that third country nationals resident in the EU should avoid using e-gates when the EES is implemented.

UKMS

You don’t need to be particularly well qualified to know that technology in relation to immigration and perhaps more importantly National security has moved on leaps and bounds in 10 years.

You also don’t need to be particularly well qualified to look and experience how efficient travel can be when technology is implemented to make it such as in many countries. Perhaps you don’t travel that often and so don’t appreciate what I’m saying. Even some of the EU nations have some pretty impressive tech to improve passenger flows as well as improve security. Whenever this is implemented across the EU it should be state of the art and perhaps it will be and not based on 10 year old tech.

The EU commission have said many things about this system whether it turns out to be correct remains to be seen. The implementation date certainly hasn’t.

astera

To get back to the original subject matter, has there still not been a SINGLE PERSON expelled from Spain until now?