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HBG Jul 6th 2011 6:56 am

Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
I spent this hot afternoon watching the debate in the House of Commons on the phone hacking scandal. The baying mob of self-righteous politicians were going to get their own back over the expenses scandal which sent a few of their colleagues to jail; and the latest exposures handed them the press and police on a plate.

There they were, baying for blood – how dare they hack Millie Dowlers phone? They are right, of course, what a diabolical thing to do.

So they debated why the original police enquiry into the royal phone hacking had been stopped, after the two fall guys, the private detective and New of the World royal correspondent went to jail for a few months. Why had Yates, the top Yard officer stopped the enquiry and lied to the House of Commons? He said that the then attorney general had stopped further investigation, supported by PM Blair.

They’re baying for transparency, including that diabolical Hazel Blears, the cheque waving hypocrite who narrowly escaped going to jail herself.

The News of the World, and all the others, are now being forced to reveal their darkest secrets. They paid the police for information, as well as some dubious private detectives who hacked phones. (As well as Max Clifford and all the others who haunt our society).

Rebecca Brooks, Andy Coulson and the many others won’t go quietly, they’ve been at it for too long. They’ve got the smoking gun and it leads right back to the original royal hacking in 2005.

Lord Taylor and Lord Hanningfield got a few months for daft claims for overnight expenses while living within walking distance of the House of Lords, some daft MPs got bird for claiming for mortgage payments they didn’t make, but what if the smoking gun reveals that bribes worth billions were paid right under our noses?

To people we have to bow to?

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2011 7:27 am

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Without doubt a dirty,disgusting business and the perpetrators deserve all thats coming to them, including large portions of porridge I would hope.

The disclosures and loss of major advertising revenue are also a long overdue kick in the goolies for Murdoch and co, but whats the betting that when all the dust has died down he'll still be allowed to get his grubby hands on BskyB and extend his greedy monopoly even further. ?

jojojojojo Jul 6th 2011 8:55 am

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I dont believe that they are/were the only guilty corporation in all of this. The other media companies including the "oh so self righteous" BBC and the politicians are indeed baying for blood and milking this for all its worth, but without a doubt they were all a party to it and how much was it that News International paid the police for information ????

Jo xxx

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2011 9:02 am

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Rupert Murdoch... what more do I honestly have to say? The guy is scum and a filthy flesh eating disease would be too good for him, I at least would want to watch the wanker die.

bil Jul 6th 2011 9:18 am

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Let me see. Politicians? Scum. Police? Corrupt scum. Newspapers? Run by self serving scum who would, if they had one, sell their soul for a story.

and who pays for all this? That'll be us again.

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2011 9:20 am

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Now they are saying that families of Tsunami and Soldiers killed in action have had their phones hacked.... God I hope the stress kills Murdoch!

kimilseung Jul 6th 2011 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9479701)
Now they are saying that families of Tsunami and Soldiers killed in action have had their phones hacked.... God I hope the stress kills Murdoch!

Its getting ridiculous, during the cold war there was fear of totalitarian governments having access to all our communications, but all along its been Murdoch. It sounds like he had more info gathering than GCHQ

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2011 9:42 am

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 9479735)
Its getting ridiculous, during the cold war there was fear of totalitarian governments having access to all our communications, but all along its been Murdoch. It sounds like he had more info gathering than GCHQ

I KNOW!

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2011 10:14 am

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Wonder if it would be too much to hope that the rest of his UK advertisers would pull the plug on him, as well as the notorious Sun-NoW readers and leave his UK paper round high and dry.

The saddest thing is his virtual monopoly of UK Sat TV services.
Hopefully the number of viewers alternative options will soon increase.

bil Jul 6th 2011 10:23 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9479808)
Wonder if it would be too much to hope that the rest of his UK advertisers would pull the plug on him, as well as the notorious Sun-NoW readers and leave his UK paper round high and dry.

The saddest thing is his virtual monopoly of UK Sat TV services.
Hopefully the number of viewers alternative options will soon increase.

Bloody shame they couldn't freeze his stuff here until after the investigation..... Nice to see that ***** blair stood in the way of the last investigation.

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2011 11:45 am

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 9479836)
Bloody shame they couldn't freeze his stuff here until after the investigation..... Nice to see that ***** blair stood in the way of the last investigation.

Yeh, must admit when it first came to light and it was mainly dodgy MPs complaining they'd been tapped, especially that obnoxious turd prescott, I like many others, was far more inclined to turn a blind eye.

HBG Jul 6th 2011 7:58 pm

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I have one major problem with all of this – so we know or should have known that a great number of our politicians are corrupt; so we know or should have known that a great number of our police officers are corrupt; so we know that our media is corrupt; and we know that the corruption reaches right to the top of our monarchy.

What the f*** is there left to believe in?

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2011 9:08 pm

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My son has just been explaining to me that the type of phone hacking thought to be used in these cases is not exactly rocket technology and could be achieved by almost anyone on anyone else with just a little basic knowledge.
Yet another demonstration that although rapid progress is being made in the world of modern technology, the security issues always seem to lag a long way behind and are more and more open to abuse and criminality as time goes on.
I doubt anyone can have any secrets anymore, unless carefully confined to the space between their ears.

bil Jul 6th 2011 9:36 pm

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Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9480514)
I have one major problem with all of this – so we know or should have known that a great number of our politicians are corrupt; so we know or should have known that a great number of our police officers are corrupt; so we know that our media is corrupt; and we know that the corruption reaches right to the top of our monarchy.

What the f*** is there left to believe in?

As Polonius said. "To thine own self be true."

We, as the general public are screwed over and exploited by State, church and all their minions.

It's a good job that the British people are so servile and accepting, else the streets would run with the blood of our exploiters.

bil Jul 6th 2011 9:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9480593)
My son has just been explaining to me that the type of phone hacking thought to be used in these cases is not exactly rocket technology and could be achieved by almost anyone on anyone else with just a little basic knowledge.
Yet another demonstration that although rapid progress is being made in the world of modern technology, the security issues always seem to lag a long way behind and are more and more open to abuse and criminality as time goes on.
I doubt anyone can have any secrets anymore, unless carefully confined to the space between their ears.

Two good points here. Firstly that so many people are so stupid as not to realise that if you want to keep it a secret, don't write it down, don't type it into a computer or speak it into any device capable of recording it.

Secondly, as the Russians say, "Three people can keep a secret, providing two of them are dead."

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2011 9:45 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 9480642)
As Polonius said. "To thine own self be true."

We, as the general public are screwed over and exploited by State, church and all their minions.

It's a good job that the British people are so servile and accepting, else the streets would run with the blood of our exploiters.

I see Murdoch is hiding out in the States at the moment rather than come to the UK and face the music.

Should he turn up, maybe we could give him the same treatment as Mussolini, or worse, hang him by the goolies from the nearest lampost and declare a national holiday with appropriate celebrations.

Domino Jul 6th 2011 9:48 pm

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unless it was in small print and I missed it - where is the Information (and Data Protection) Commissioner in all this ? ?

This has now been running for about 10 years, has been known about (if you have a secret don't tell anyone - it will no longer be a secret) by a larger and larger group of people but it has all been kept below the blanket.

Is there a "national security" reason for ignoring it ?

Rebecca Ward cannot be used to act as an investigator or mediator in this she is tainted.
Rupert Murdoch has been tainted for many years in different ways that haven't been revealed, is probably worse than Murdoch.

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2011 9:54 pm

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Beginning to lose advertising already!

Domino Jul 6th 2011 9:58 pm

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9480665)
Beginning to lose advertising already!

funny that the information from NoW/NI is increasing in relationship to the number of companies cutting advertising.

BBC Radio 4 said yesterday NoW is NI's cash cow. (or shud that be WAS)

rugbymatt Jul 6th 2011 10:00 pm

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British Legion has severed links.... this will run and run!

steviedeluxe Jul 6th 2011 10:17 pm

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The rumour is, the NoTW will be closing and rebranding as a new newspaper ( possibly The Sun on Sunday) in the near future... It's alleged this has been planned long before the hacking allegations became public.

HBG Jul 6th 2011 10:24 pm

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National Security, that's the firewall they'll be hiding behind. It has already been used to hide the truth behind the arms scandal involving at least one of our dear princes. But with the News of the World fighting for its life, they will release the explosive documents to the police and we'll be back to Yates lying to the House to protect National Security.

'Run along old chap, you don't need to know.' That's what they've always said.

bil Jul 6th 2011 11:22 pm

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9480665)
Beginning to lose advertising already!

Excellent. Now all we need is for people to stop reading it like the Sun in Liverpool.

Domino Jul 7th 2011 12:35 am

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The Government are now "reconsidering" their advertising....

Domino Jul 7th 2011 4:03 am

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James Murdoch says that this sunday will be the last edition of the News of the World.
The Sun will go to a sunday edition

seems the Murdoch family are not very happy that they have been told lies by the NoW management

jackytoo Jul 7th 2011 4:06 am

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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 9480704)
The rumour is, the NoTW will be closing and rebranding as a new newspaper ( possibly The Sun on Sunday) in the near future... It's alleged this has been planned long before the hacking allegations became public.

As Stevie posted they had been planning it for some time.They will just carry on elsewhere, they won't be the only newspaper who has hacked:thumbdown:

anonimouse Jul 7th 2011 4:47 am

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News of the World is no more...from Sunday that is, is that good?

rugbymatt Jul 7th 2011 5:01 am

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Makes him 900 million against the 6 or so billion he makes elsewhere, seems a clever little piece of damage limitation as some advertisers were threatening to pull out of Sky... now the Gov have decided to delay the decision on BskyB...

Dick Dasterdly Jul 7th 2011 5:36 am

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A sudden and ignominious end to a famous and popular 168 yr old rag which obviously for the greater good of future profit margins elsewhere has been consigned to history.

Out of sight, out of mind,..... I don't think.

Little doubt he's hoping to carry on as normal once the dust dies down, but
hopefully the heat will now be turned up on his other rags as well as the goose that lays the golden egg, his Sat TV empire.

HBG Jul 7th 2011 5:36 am

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I don't think Murdoch had an alternative and I bet the shredders are working at full speed. The trouble is - you can't shred the servers, but I suppose you could blow them up?

rugbymatt Jul 7th 2011 5:41 am

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I personally think that whatever happens Murdoch will come out of this smelling of roses, don't forget that he is one of the most powerful people on this planet, he tells us what we think... he has told us this is over and in 6 months time it will all be over.

Domino Jul 7th 2011 6:57 am

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sunonsunday.co.uk was registered 5 July 2011 by "non-trading individual"

sunonsunday.com was registered in 2007 in Italy and comes up in myspace

HBG Jul 7th 2011 7:06 am

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The News of the World has been in existence for my entire life, I remember eating chips out of it when I was a kid. Then along came a foreigner and shut it down.

I used to drive an Austin Maxi. Then along came a foreigner and shut the plant down.

I'm not a fan, but I've watched Chelsea play many times. Then along came . . . . ?

Not yet he hasn't, but he could if he wanted to.

bil Jul 7th 2011 7:10 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9481592)
Little doubt he's hoping to carry on as normal once the dust dies down, but
hopefully the heat will now be turned up on his other rags as well as the goose that lays the golden egg, his Sat TV empire.

Yeah. I'd love to see him screwed over that.

HBG Jul 7th 2011 7:35 am

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 9481794)
Yeah. I'd love to see him screwed over that.

If all of Murdoch is shut down, we'll be sitting at home without TV and without newspapers to read. Actually, it sounds like bliss.

Dick Dasterdly Jul 7th 2011 8:25 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 9481757)
sunonsunday.co.uk was registered 5 July 2011 by "non-trading individual"

sunonsunday.com was registered in 2007 in Italy and comes up in myspace

There was much talk of it being called the Sunday Sun and I expect that would have been the preferred choice, however that's not possible as it has been a popular N.E.Sunday paper as long as I can recall.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Sun

Dick Dasterdly Jul 7th 2011 8:43 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9481605)
I personally think that whatever happens Murdoch will come out of this smelling of roses, don't forget that he is one of the most powerful people on this planet, he tells us what we think... he has told us this is over and in 6 months time it will all be over.

As far as Joe Public is concerned Murdoch and his cronies have always smelt more of sewage than of roses, only now the stink is becoming almost unbearable.

The problem is that he still controls such a huge percentage of the UK media so all the powers that be will continue to treat him with undue respect.

Whilst there are numerous calls by MPs for various heads to be delivered on a plate, incl. some who probably didn't even know what was going on, I don't see any sign of either Cameron or Millipede launching a direct assault on Murdoch himself

No doubt with the power and control at his disposal, he could well hold both their destinies in his hands, and well they know it.

rugbymatt Jul 7th 2011 8:50 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9481952)
As far as Joe Public is concerned Murdoch and his cronies have always smelt more of sewage than of roses, only now the stink is becoming almost unbearable.

The problem is that he still controls such a huge percentage of the UK media so all the powers that be will continue to treat him with undue respect.

Whilst there are numerous calls by MPs for various heads to be delivered on a plate, incl. some who probably didn't even know what was going on, I don't see any sign of either Cameron or Millipede launching a direct assault on Murdoch himself

No doubt with the power and control at his disposal, he could well hold both their destinies in his hands, and well they know it.

... and like sheep, in 6 months none of us will remember a thing...

rugbymatt Jul 7th 2011 9:01 am

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Andy Coulson expected to be arrested tomorrow... and The Slapper? Probably a big fat bonus!

jackytoo Jul 7th 2011 9:09 am

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Surely some celebrations tonight, especially from all the people who have been exposed by NOW. Will be triples all round for the Countess of Wessex and Sarah Ferguson not to mention Prescott and many more whose name I have forgotten.


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