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I doubt the expected job losses will be celebrating tonight... and I also doubt the people planning to sue them will be...

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Sounds like some really nice people will be celebtrating, Jacky.

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I can't resist it, the whole affair seems to have taken over the UK, here's a link to make you think:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...INALLY-go.html

It's funny the Mail posting this story, in a year's time we should all know that they are no better than the News of the World.

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It can't get any worse surely ?

It's obviously been one giant love-in with MPs of all parties, police, news staff and hired snoopers all in bed together. :)

Now the cats out the bag its tears and recriminations all round. :(

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The whole group all the print productions are tied in this little fiasco. Shutting down the N.o.w is acceptable collateral damage at this stage "This is a planned event", As if everyone that was hacked decides to take legal action at potentially 400k a pop "as has been paid to Gordon Taylor" News Internationals wallet could start hurting. A judge would probably award lighter damages due to the wind down of N.o.w well thats what they are hoping. Personally I think they "N.I" should be barred from starting a new publication especially whilst under investigation in criminal proceedings.

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A perfect summary. I've got one reservation about all of it, which I regard as a malaise in our British society.

The British stiff upper lip has gone, to be replaced by blubbering whistle blowers and dirty grasses. This is all about 'royal' bungs, never mind some daft copper copping a few quid from the Press.

Of course it's wrong, but you can take the transparency aspect too far. I hate grasses and always will. They do far more damage to our society than some Royal copping a few quid from the Saudis.

(Two ginger haired ladies could blow the lid on all of this. I don't think the Royal one will, but the other one appears a bit flaky).

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According to regulations a company and its owners should be considered fit and proper ppl. to control a major media organisation.
Anyone less fit and proper than the Murdochs is difficult to imagine, yet despite all the recriminations I'd bet my last euro that not only will they go ahead with a new publication but also get the nod on their BskyB takeover.
Supposedly the whole deal is to be checked out by Offcom to ensure there is no further monopoly situation created, yet I wonder why I get this strange feeling that it's already a done deal, with more wheels within wheels working overtime to ensure it only goes one way.

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whilst a company is deemed to be a living and breathing entity in its own right it can only move in the direction(s) dictated by its directors. Its the directors and their quality which makes for a good company.

Murdoch has been allowed to have too much power across the world. Perhaps he may have been responsible for Maxwell's death as the only person who may have been able to stop his rise.

now "people power" has shown up all the cracks in the walls of power we are finding out that
...Wade must have known what was happening on her watch - she will have overseen the printing of the stories and approved payments
...Wade has admitted to a parliamentary committee the paper made payments to the police, although forced by counsel to say it was all legal and above board
...the last enquiry of the police was a whitewash and appears to have been carried out by someone who may have been in receipt of payments himself
...there has been a cosy relationship between the police and certain elements of the media over a number of years, based on the cheque book
...Jame Murdoch has said he made dodgy payments due to lack of information
...A NoW exec has deleted swathes of files prior to investigation by police

The Yanks are starting to look at goings-on on their patch which is going to make the Conrad Black affair look like a teddy bears picnic

Now the run has started in the open it is unlikely that this will stop rumbling inside 2 years let alone september when the BSkyB matter is resolved.

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No-one likes a grass, but whistle blowing is a different kettle of fish.

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Isn't it the same thing, like terrorist-freedom fighter?

criminals hate a grass, and victims love whistle blowers

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Class divide, Chavs hate a Grass, But the Nouveau Middle Class like a Whistle blower. Doesn't matter who is doing the shouting it's all down to the twat that is listening. Which is the same rule when classifying Terrorist vs Freedom Fighter it's a matter of perspective.

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Are you calling HBG and bil chavs?:rofl:

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If you concerned about big brother they can track your phone, they can watch what you pay for and where you are with credit cards , if you are on facebook you are asking for it, plus everything wants to link up now, skype belongs to Microsoft and now links to facebook, and of course they can listen to your calls, they can profile you in seconds, I think facebook is worse than a virus it stores stuff on your PC only a reformat cures but then google knows all your business anyhow and knows your facebook ID , I am glad there is no phone signal where I live sometimes

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Please expand on this.

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They do them in such funky styles now don't they?

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I don't know who to blame for it, or who to thank for it, but somehow I emerged with principles of loyalty and a hatred for grasses and whistle blowers. Maybe it goes back all the way to the playground and the little bastard who grassed me up for something quite innocent.

Later on in life I joined at least one organisation which reinforced my beliefs in loyalty to a common cause. That belief is now embedded in my bones, and I'm happy with it.

If that makes me a Chav, then so be it, but from what little I know of them I doubt if they would want me as a member. I did have some of that Burberry stuff years ago, and so did my wife.

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What I find funny is that I have yet to meet someone who hasn't jumped for joy that its closing yet it managed to sell over 8 million copies a week...

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part social milieu; part gulty pleasure.

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another part of British culture gone:thumbdown:

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They're expecting a lot of sales tomorrow. Doubling the print run:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14081705

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An ignominious end to a 168 year old tradition, so a certain amount of sadness is understandable in that respect, despite the fact that much of it's reputation was built on sleaze.

In the end it went into self-destruct and was appropriately destroyed by it's own particular brand of sleaze.

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Just a Slight exaggeration, 2.3 million a week and an average of 3,218,867 last month.

http://tinyurl.com/64ckmop

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They'll likely be collectors items in a few years time.

Wonder if they find space for this one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-question.html

Ppl. in glasshouses comes to mind.

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I do house cleaning for some folk as most round here know, But every new computer screen has a camera built in to it and has adaptive text recognition built in to it, Your lack of phone signal is kettle we forgot to switch off, When I switch on my oh's Tampax warmer your credit card will stop working.

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Next time I need 3 year old statistics I'll give you a shout, OK?

Oh and its probably better to read the articles you post... "Market-leader The News of the World also lost sales, dropping 2.7% - but it still sold an average of 3,218,867 last month."........... That'll be "last month" three years ago....


But don't worry, someone will report me and it will all be OK... OK?

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My point exactly sales are even more now at 2.4 million a week depending which news group you read from

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Let's not hope they are selling your house. I like statistics that, You know get to the point quickly.

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Your point exactly? What, that your point was wrong? Its best in a discussion to try and actually make sense!

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I was only trying to point out your exaggeration as I knew you would want confirmation, it wasn't even 8 million three years ago, I doubt it ever was. Maybe you can show us the link to 8 million sales a week?

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Ah you see the difference between you and I is that I could not give a crap... its not that important to my life.

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I read today that the NOW has/had the highest circulation in the world:confused:

I know I will get slammed for this but is all this hacking stuff such a big deal for the ordinary person? We have had emotive stuff coming out every few hours, Milly Dowlers phone hacked, the mccanns, 7/7 victims (all wrong I know) but it is what newspapers do and why people buy them. Take the Dowler family, their lawyer is criticising the hacking but what about the Father who lied for a long time about his whereabouts that day thus wasting police time, was he any better:blink:

If newspapers didn't hack and pay for information we would have never known what a crooked bunch the MP's were, or that members of the royal family were willing to sell themselves. Would it be in the publics interest for newspapers to be censored and not pry?

Also what about the phone companies who earn billions, why aren't their lines made safer to hacking. If some sleazy PD can do it there must be hundreds more out there who can hack and sell the information.

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1950 was the starting point

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/secto...028236.article

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Until some one else talks what you consider to be crap?

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Nope, until someone shows me 3 year old statistics that pretty much prove only one thing... that they don't read their own links.

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60 years ago ? I see:rofl:

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Up there with your spelling and use of abbreviations , Need I remind you.

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Step away mate.. step away.....

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It takes Two bully boys (and one a concierge), just because I pointed out a wild exaggeration made by one, WOW :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Concierge is obvious,

Who are the bully boys?

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And there we have it people!