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HBG Jul 9th 2011 4:24 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 9485570)
I read today that the NOW has/had the highest circulation in the world:confused:

I know I will get slammed for this but is all this hacking stuff such a big deal for the ordinary person? We have had emotive stuff coming out every few hours, Milly Dowlers phone hacked, the mccanns, 7/7 victims (all wrong I know) but it is what newspapers do and why people buy them. Take the Dowler family, their lawyer is criticising the hacking but what about the Father who lied for a long time about his whereabouts that day thus wasting police time, was he any better:blink:

If newspapers didn't hack and pay for information we would have never known what a crooked bunch the MP's were, or that members of the royal family were willing to sell themselves. Would it be in the publics interest for newspapers to be censored and not pry?

Also what about the phone companies who earn billions, why aren't their lines made safer to hacking. If some sleazy PD can do it there must be hundreds more out there who can hack and sell the information.

I tend to agree - without dubious methods like hacking, paying for information or using stings to set up fraudsters, how can the salacious reports ever get through? The public wants exposures, it wants to clap as the mighty fall.

The trouble lies with the censors, the concierges and other guardians of what is good for the people to read.

Did they get it right in this case? Can you hack the Royals, murder victims, top politicians and pop stars?

Murdoch said No and closed the paper. You can't argue with Murdoch, he is the top man.

bil Jul 9th 2011 7:26 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9485867)
Murdoch said No and closed the paper. You can't argue with Murdoch, he is the top man.

No, but you can declare him an unfit person to run the empire he seeks to gain.

What applies to the editor applies to the owner in spades.

Either Murdoch knew all about it, in the which case he did nothing to stop it, is thus complicit and is therefore not fit to wield that sort of power.

Or, he knew nothing, did not control his business properly and is thus not a fit person.

Stupid or corrupt?

bricwood Jul 9th 2011 8:13 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
I think there is even more than this, circulation of papers is falling because we read online versions, this has started something new, if a story appears in the mail for example with David Cameron said this, if its unpopular and a lot of negative comments are posted the story disappears,not possible in the printed version, and if a story appears about the economy in the standard only comments agreeing are appearing , this is very new, as for reading text messages its happened for years, there was the story of someone famous I cant remember who a pop star of some sort, he sent a text message saying it went like a bomb and an armed police unit came to his house, when I lived in England I had software called "did they read it?" installed this software which I dont know if it even exists any more told me the second and email was opened and where, and also for how long for, all my emails to Italy were being opened in east London and sometimes India, I am not important or a terrorist so it probably happens to all emails to Italy, maybe its automated looking for key words

Dick Dasterdly Jul 9th 2011 8:59 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 9486032)
No, but you can declare him an unfit person to run the empire he seeks to gain.

What applies to the editor applies to the owner in spades.

Either Murdoch knew all about it, in the which case he did nothing to stop it, is thus complicit and is therefore not fit to wield that sort of power.

Or, he knew nothing, did not control his business properly and is thus not a fit person.

Stupid or corrupt?

NoW has bit the dust, possibly in name only, however the Murdoch Empires main prize is full control of the Sat business which brings in a massive income compared to the tabloid news.
He's obviously clearing the decks hoping to take over BskyB with a clean sheet and everything else swept under the carpet.

For me the powers that be should step in now and put the block on him for the next five years at least, in view of the fact that the regulations state that such media organisations should only be run by a fit and proper person, in addition to the fact that it would create an increased monopoly situation regardless of whichever way they screw it around and try and dress it up as otherwise.

Somehow I have a feeling that the backscratching will quietly continue behind the scenes as normal and the slimy turd will end up in full control of virtually everything we receive in our living rooms via the magic box.

rugbymatt Jul 9th 2011 9:03 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
So now its gone... who will start up the campaigns? Who will push for things like "Sarah's Law"?

Domino Jul 9th 2011 9:18 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
With Murdoch do we have shades of Elliot Carver of Carver Media Group Network ??

rugbymatt Jul 9th 2011 9:26 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 9486159)
With Murdoch do we have shades of Elliot Carver of Carver Media Group Network ??

Who do you think he was modeled on?

Domino Jul 9th 2011 9:32 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9486138)
NoW has bit the dust, possibly in name only, however the Murdoch Empires main prize is full control of the Sat business which brings in a massive income compared to the tabloid news.
He's obviously clearing the decks hoping to take over BskyB with a clean sheet and everything else swept under the carpet.

For me the powers that be should step in now and put the block on him for the next five years at least, in view of the fact that the regulations state that such media organisations should only be run by a fit and proper person, in addition to the fact that it would create an increased monopoly situation regardless of whichever way they screw it around and try and dress it up as otherwise.

Somehow I have a feeling that the backscratching will quietly continue behind the scenes as normal and the slimy turd will end up in full control of virtually everything we receive in our living rooms via the magic box.

the enormous costs involved in putting a London Bus up in geo-stationary orbit demand a return on that investment. Hence it is only those with pots of money and multi-stream income that are able to dabble in the provision of media to the masses. The number of people who wish to do so is not expanding to any great extent. However, some are now seeing the advantages from having a football club with its own sat-channel.

as granny used to say "money talks" and those who have will always be providing a fortnight on an island in the Carib or on a private boat to those who sign the approvals.

bil Jul 9th 2011 9:34 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9486138)
NoW has bit the dust, possibly in name only, however the Murdoch Empires main prize is full control of the Sat business which brings in a massive income compared to the tabloid news.
He's obviously clearing the decks hoping to take over BskyB with a clean sheet and everything else swept under the carpet.

For me the powers that be should step in now and put the block on him for the next five years at least, in view of the fact that the regulations state that such media organisations should only be run by a fit and proper person, in addition to the fact that it would create an increased monopoly situation regardless of whichever way they screw it around and try and dress it up as otherwise.

Somehow I have a feeling that the backscratching will quietly continue behind the scenes as normal and the slimy turd will end up in full control of virtually everything we receive in our living rooms via the magic box.

Yeah, my bet is that no politician will dare to go against Murdoch as the old man has a long memory, and come the next election, god help the political party that dares to call for Murdoch's head.

Basically he will end up as the one in the graveyard who died with the most toys.

rugbymatt Jul 9th 2011 9:39 pm

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 9486178)
Yeah, my bet is that no politician will dare to go against Murdoch as the old man has a long memory, and come the next election, god help the political party that dares to call for Murdoch's head.

Basically he will end up as the one in the graveyard who died with the most toys.

They had some aged political editor on news 24 the other night and he said that Millipede was playing a very dangerous game with his open criticism of Murdoch... and low and behold, there are now questions being asked about his media advisor and him allegedly paying someone to hack into Lord Ashcrofts bank account. I suspect many in "Power" are waiting for the old bastard to die!

anonimouse Jul 10th 2011 2:02 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 9485601)
Concierge is obvious,

Who are the bully boys?

Err is that your picture in the gallery?:confused:

anonimouse Jul 10th 2011 2:05 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9485606)
And there we have it people!

Yep ...you're some times wrong , but won't admit it;)

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 2:07 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9486560)
Yep ...you're some times wrong , but won't admit it;)

I have warned everyone not to talk to just in case they get accused of bullying or ganging up on you.. this should allow you to post whatever crap you want... Oh wait, you already do.

anonimouse Jul 10th 2011 2:10 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486564)
I have warned everyone not to talk to just in case they get accused of bullying or ganging up on you.. this should allow you to post whatever crap you want... Oh wait, you already do.

????

So you admit you are part of a Gang, who's only opinion counts even when wrong?

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 2:14 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9486568)
????

So you admit you are part of a Gang, who's only opinion counts even when wrong?

Hell yeah, I'm the treasurer.

Sue Jul 10th 2011 2:15 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9486568)
????

So you admit you are part of a Gang, who's only opinion counts even when wrong?

No, he's just teasing. Please don't take him literally. I'm off to tan his hide now ;)

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 2:17 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Sue (Post 9486579)
No, he's just teasing. Please don't take him literally. I'm off to tan his hide now ;)

My pants are down as we speak!

Sam Greenfield Jul 10th 2011 2:19 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Sue (Post 9486579)
No, he's just teasing. Please don't take him literally. I'm off to tan his hide now ;)


Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486581)
My pants are down as we speak!


FPMSL - you do know he likes that dont you Sue hahahahaha xxx

anonimouse Jul 10th 2011 2:32 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
He knows I love him really, he's just got this big chip on his shoulder.

I think I know what it is.....

He's so bloody clever he has to work for a living:D:rofl::rofl:

Oh and I need a good cleaner, any ideas?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

bil Jul 10th 2011 2:39 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9486602)
He knows I love him really, he's just got this big chip on his shoulder.

I think I know what it is.....

He's so bloody clever he has to work for a living:D:rofl::rofl:

Oh and I need a good cleaner, any ideas?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I've seen some of his work. It's pretty good.

Juswus Jul 10th 2011 2:39 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486581)
My pants are down as we speak!

Are they ever up?

anonimouse Jul 10th 2011 2:51 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 9486606)
I've seen some of his work. It's pretty good.

Were you referring to Ka ora bil?

I won't settle for anything less than a professional cleaner you know:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 2:59 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Juswus (Post 9486607)
Are they ever up?

Err.... no. No wait..... does having my penis hanging out of my pants with a coat covering it count?

Juswus Jul 10th 2011 3:30 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486634)
Err.... no. No wait..... does having my penis hanging out of my pants with a coat covering it count?

no

gruffbrown Jul 10th 2011 3:33 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486564)
I have warned everyone not to talk to just in case they get accused of bullying or ganging up on you.. this should allow you to post whatever crap you want... Oh wait, you already do.

There is no gang, if there were, they'd probably be using the same stupid avatars.

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 3:40 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by gruffbrown (Post 9486686)
There is no gang, if there were, they'd probably be using the same stupid avatars.

Eggzakerly!

Mitzyboy Jul 10th 2011 6:36 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9486634)
Err.... no. No wait..... does having my penis hanging out of my pants with a coat covering it count?

Do you think anyone would notice :)

jdr Jul 10th 2011 7:04 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
Ain`t it nice to have a bit of fun on the forum again :thumbup::thumbup:

Dick Dasterdly Jul 10th 2011 7:09 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9486896)
Do you think anyone would notice :)

Oy,..back to topic please. ;)

Sam Greenfield Jul 10th 2011 7:10 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 9486925)
Ain`t it nice to have a bit of fun on the forum again :thumbup::thumbup:

Yeh - ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - did i miss the fun then ;) :p :lol:

rugbymatt Jul 10th 2011 9:07 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9486896)
Do you think anyone would notice :)

You can go off someone you know!

anonimouse Jul 11th 2011 3:02 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
BBC News today says NOTW paid a Royal security guy for info on the Royals.

Did these reporters pay out of their own pockets or did someone higher up authorise the payments.

bil Jul 11th 2011 3:07 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9488509)
BBC News today says NOTW paid a Royal security guy for info on the Royals.

Did these reporters pay out of their own pockets or did someone higher up authorise the payments.

Ooooo, me, I know sir, me sir, me sir....

They were discussing this on the Andrew Marr show with Amanda Platell, and she pointed out that any payment over 100 had to be authorised by management.

I can just see the reporters paying for all that out of their own pockets, can't you?

We'll over look that it was common knowledge at the last enquiry that the NOTW paid police for info.....

Domino Jul 11th 2011 3:10 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9488509)
BBC News today says NOTW paid a Royal security guy for info on the Royals.

Did these reporters pay out of their own pockets or did someone higher up authorise the payments.

Radio 4 has said that there is a thing called the Green Book containing Royal contact information but it was hinted there is more than one and information may have been supplied from more than one of the palaces

it seems both sides knew about it but didnt do anything - so British
a hangover from when we used to make lots of axminster to brush under

IIRC this all blew up because one of the princes had a foot/leg problem no one outside tight circle knew about but was printed in NOTW

this will be a marathon :ohmy:

Mitzyboy Jul 11th 2011 7:01 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
Thread tidy. Off topic remarks removed.
Start your own thread if you want a chat thread, but dont mess up an ongoing one please

HBG Jul 11th 2011 8:14 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
Now that the truth is coming out, it appears they've hacked the Queen and the Prime Minister, not just the News of the World, but the Sun and the Sunday Times too, with the Mail starting to get a mention. Therefore, all of them hacked all of them.

I suppose the British public first of all had the expenses scandal and now this; I can't think of anything left to surprise us. The cash for peerages was just a comic side show, already forgotten about; Christ, you can just about get equally cynical about Iraq.

Monty Python, that's what it is, I'm convinced of it, I can see the line of crosses all along Whitehall.

'Always look on the bright side,' the best advice I've ever had.

Ka Ora! Jul 11th 2011 8:16 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9489217)
Now that the truth is coming out, it appears they've hacked the Queen and the Prime Minister, not just the News of the World, but the Sun and the Sunday Times too, with the Mail starting to get a mention. Therefore, all of them hacked all of them.

I suppose the British public first of all had the expenses scandal and now this; I can't think of anything left to surprise us. The cash for peerages was just a comic side show, already forgotten about; Christ, you can just about get equally cynical about Iraq.

Monty Python, that's what it is, I'm convinced of it, I can see the line of crosses all along Whitehall.

'Always look on the bright side,' the best advice I've ever had.

We will probably find out they have hacked and leaked all sorts of stuff.

zargof Jul 11th 2011 8:20 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 

Originally Posted by Ka Ora! (Post 9489220)
We will probably find out they have hacked and leaked all sorts of stuff.

I hate it when someone leaks stuff.

rugbymatt Jul 11th 2011 8:23 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
I see they have tried to undermine the police investigation by trying to discredit their investigation! Its quite funny how no one has noticed the damage this has done to BskyB's shares.... and who is to benefit from that?


Oh and I hate snitches...

Mitzyboy Jul 11th 2011 10:16 am

Re: Phone hacking hypocrisy
 
Off topic posts removed, thread cleaned up


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