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Do I hate leaks or not, not sure, it Depends.

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The implication is that the rot was in the other Murdoch papers. Excellent. For me, even more demonstrable proof that the Murdoch family are not fit people to control such a chunk of the media.

IMo, no-one, but no-one should have the right to that sort of power.

Can you imagine what it would be like when someone like Murdoch bent all his will towards ensuring one political party was elected and not the other? We've seen it happen twice now at least, and I think it's time that it became impossible in the future.

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as with Berlusconi :eek:

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Yep.

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Amazing, every day we think surely it can't get any worse, yet every day it has.

Today we have Browns allegations that N.I.employed the criminal underworld to snoop on his private affairs, with further damage to both the Times and Suns reputations,.... for what they were worth anyway.

At least every cloud has a silver lining and it's good to see all three party leaders asking the Murdochs to drop the BskyB take-over.
It's difficult to see how they could continue now in the face of opposition from Parliament as well as the will of the British ppl.
Hopefully N.I. will suffer a king size kick in the bollox with regard to both the Sat and the News business and end up feeling like a neutered tomcat.

Apparently the Murdochs have had to resort to buying back their previously owned shares to prevent a further collapse in prices.

I wonder whats happening in the rest of the World.

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I for one am loving every minute of it, and the only way it could get better would be if his whole empire went tits up and the Murdoch family lost so much they could never get back up there.

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Its getting dicey for the evil prick in the States I see... Incidentally, I saw the other day that he actually owns the Dow Jones! WHAT THE F*UCK! How can that be seen as impartial or a good idea in any way?

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I'm with you kid. How the f'uck was that possible?

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Mossad killed Maxwell, lets hope they see sense and do the honorable thing with Murdoch!

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I'm in. Will a fiver do?

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.....and here's me worrying you'd be shedding a few tears over the poor sad soles seeing their investments slowly disappearing down the tubes day by day. ;)

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Interesting article, especially the latter part relating to unrest amongst his shareholders and opposition to his daughter becoming involved.

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/why-murdoc...don-newspapers

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Of course thats a very good point ...... if you actually take a moment to look at the bigger picture and imagine what implications the "Empire" going down the tube could have on the likes of you and me in pensions, investments etc, the inevetible reactions from the markets because they get all nervous again!

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I watched and read the news this morning, and learned a new word - Down-banding - where employees are kept on instead of being made redundant, but with a drop in pay. That was followed by falling markets and the fear that the eurozone would implode with Italian and Spanish debt. Then George Osbourne explained that even though we are not in the eurozone, we would be hit just as hard.

My income is already dropping, like most other people's, and I can see nothing but clouds on the horizon.

There was a bit of light relief on the TV yesterday afternoon when DAC Andy Haywood entertained us all with his clown act. 'What, me guv? I just had a couple of dinners with the nice people from the press I was investigating. They even gave me a job when I retired a couple of months later.'

Hilarious. The DPP at the time, the top man, got a job with them too.

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Poor old Rupert Murdoch must be beginning to feel like General Custer right now with more and more sh!t heading his way from every possible direction.

Even those in high places who used to shake in their boots at the very mention of his name and would have happily licked his ass not so long ago, have now merrily joined in the sh!t hoying fest.

If there was a popularity contest held at this very moment Rupert would probably rank somewhere in between Gadaffi and the late Bin Laden

On top of that there are major rumblings of discontent in both the States and Oz by shareholders and Govt.

His sacrifice of the NoW has now already proved to have been a pointless and futile exercise which has come back to bite him on the ass in more ways than one

Oh how the mighty have fallen, or at least are continuing to fall.

Fortunately Mitzy I am not relying on Rupert for my pension or anything else right now so I'm contentedly sitting back and enjoying the show. :D

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$5 billion dollars wiped off the price of News Corp shares... looking good.

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Sadly one of the unseen victims of this whole sordid affair is Dwight Shultz, the hate mail he is getting is really quite nasty!

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Unfortunately you dont have to be relying on him .... it's the repercussions that will screw most people again should it all collapse

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hee hee
but both are "howling mad"......



Maxwell was a crook and messed up UK newspapers and pensions, yet he was praised for being a good competitor for murdoch
Peirs Morgan got sacked from running faked stories and pictures about UK soldiers peeing on captured soldiers in Iraq in the Mirror and is now considered a top UK celeb!!!
Archer is a crook, yet makes millions, and still has his peership.
Richard Desmond owns the Express, OK and many "top shelf" mags, but is deemed OK to own Five.
And to top it all, you have a goverment in the UK which the majority of votors did not vote for!
Yet the MPs were all happy when the Sun and Rups newspapers were supporting them in the elections.

And the laboutr MPs are all tryimng to attack the Tories for this, yet it all happnened when who was in power...wonder if Tony Bliar knew of anything happening...since anyone in ex PMs look as if they are going to be called before this judge....

But it does make you think how many stories and investigations were brought to light by this method....and how many people are now jailed or campaigns started becasue of information obtained this way...

and you cannot belive that no other paper never did anything like this..like pay a policeman for information, or got tip offs from police, of hacked into things....

I think there is more pressing things happening in the world apart from who owns a TV company for MPs to concentrate on...you know like people lossing their jobs, peopel cheating millions out of the benefit system, and oh yes two wars that we are involved in to help keep the oli price down (thats really helping aint it!)...

See that a certain ex Spanish PM José María Aznar is on the board of News Corp, who own News Int....

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I see the Murdochs have dropped their bid.
Basically they had little choice against so much opposition,especially in Parliament.
Is it too much to hope that the tail will now stop wagging the dog ?

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British Gas have picked up on the New Labour policy of "a good time to make a negative press release" and announced 18% + price hike that seems to have slipped past our brave public servants in the Mother of Parliaments.

Whilst the "fit and proper" test needs to be made, Milliband is fast running out of stones to throw from his glass house and I am now not sure Cameron is strong enough to bring the house back into the real world.

What happened to that nice Nick Whatshisname from the lib-dem thingy ? ?

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Nothing to stop them from bidding in the future...

Dick Ed Millband says "Its a victory for people up and down the country." Does he really think that people really care who owns Sky...most people already thought Rups owned all of Sky in the first place! As long as they get their footie and simpsons i dont think they dont really care! Its just the MPs that care, as it affects their jobs...but they uses the media like the media uses them!

Like I said before, we have someone who runs and operates "porn mags" owning Five! Does that stop people watching Five...or parents refusing to let their kids what thei kids TV programmes on Five...

Ah the Jo Moore school of Spin. On 9/11 the email of "today would be a good day to bury bad press news items!".
World War 3 could start and Dick Ed would still be wanting to know and ask question about Andy Coulson.....

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Everyone remember a while back when the newspapers were told they were 'drinking at the Last Chance Saloon'

I thought it sounded like bollocks, and I was right.

Sadly I don't doubt that this will probably slip aside, other shit will come along, and the smartie crunching masses will continue to pay murdoch for yet more slime.

It does make me glad that I stopped buying newspapers all those years ago.

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And noone, during all of this, has said reported the fact, release a few weeks ago, that Sky are freezing prices for the next year on their packages...

and having a shuffle around of thei "6 genre" mixes...6 mixes will become 2 mixes...

The always groan when Sky raise their prices in September, but nothing this year from anyone saying thanks for no price increase...in fact nothing has been in the news at all...

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Too busy doing the school run it seems!

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Exactly, it's no big deal for average Joe Bloggs yet we have 24 hour non-stop coverage. He is thinking of selling the Times and the Sun but no buyers at the moment. Anyway we can all read the goodies like the Mail and Mirror who would never stoop to underhand tactics.:rolleyes: News has always been a dirty business, if they didn't use underhand tactics we wouldn't have any, it would all be one sided press reases.

Can't believe all the emotive stories coming out...Brown crying (he should stop taking those prescription drugs;)) then 2 years later he is photographed with his arm around Murdoch:blink: The real gainers are MP's like Prescott who says he is "delighted" (he would be wouldn't he!), the Royals and a host of celebs. Now the Government have the public on side they will be pushing their press regulation Bill, something they have wanted for a long time. We will be back to the censorship of the 1930's.

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So what then? allow these people to hack into everyone's phone, medical reports, as they please? That's hardly censorship, is it?

As for Brown, all the politicians were afraid of offending murdoch and his coven, as they new full well that if they did, they'd have the full weight of the murdoch press against them.

How brave would you be with a metaphorical knife at your throat?

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I have never bought a copy of the News of the World, thought it was a crap paper. This week I realised they also did a lot of good campaigns and exposures which were useful for the general public.

I am not saying that tapping phones is ok. just that all the newspapers use dubious methods...hey they can get someones credit card details within hours. Do you think the Telegraph managed to expose the MP's expenses scandal without resorting to these practices?

Can anyone tell me who else was in the bidding for BSKYB :confused: I have been ignoring stories on it before this week:lol:

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I don't doubt that most papers have had dodgy practices. I just think that any such practices shoud be stamped on.

Had they used phone hacking as a took to expose corruption, I wouldn't have minded so much. It is clear that they used it without any restrictions or decency.

As for saying that they did some good, that's a bit like saying Fred West wasn't all bad because he used to cut his elderly neighbour's hedge for her.

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as not a Sky subscriber I ask is that the same as the Virgin Media shuffle round that changed the levels of subscription whilst reducing the number of channels ? ?

You make it sound as if not even Sky knew so there wasnt a press release to that effect

Granny told me "no one gives something for nothing"

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perhaps I had better talk to them then, either my cc provider or BT have failed to deliver statement twice in a year.

What happened to the Data Protection Registrar who turned into the Information Commissioner in all this. This is in his court as well. The only thing that seems to miss it is Mulcair's hand written notes.

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Currently News Corp own 39% of BSkyB.
They also own News International - which is the UK newspaper publishing arm. News Corp wanted to by the remaining shared of BSkyB.
No one else was in the running, and I am sure the 39% News Corp owns would block anyone else taking full ownership. And it has a special place in Rups heart as it was their first "Sky TV" group.

There will be no reduction in channels. There is no price increase.
They are merging their 6 genres of programmes into just 2.
People may find they get a lot more channels for the price they are paying in the first year. Then the next year they will have to pay for the 2 packs, probably meaning an increase in your sub, and get channels that they dont really want, with no option to opt out of "No kids channels" if you dont want them (if I understand this correctly!)

It was all in the latest Sky magazine, and on their website, and on a lot of internet forums... They have not had a shuffe around of channels for a fair number of years...

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As I understood it from earlier reports it was always considered a bit of a hostile takeover anyway...

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well at this moment Rupe is buying up company shares to reduce their market volatility.

didn't he hear about Alan Sugar buying up all his company shares and making it private because the shares dropped when Spurs lost a game and caused his name to be mentioned in the press ? ?
(before anyone has a go I know it was more than that but that is a start)

Still he did pay $400mill + for his daughters business a little while ago so there must be some money there........ oh no it wasn't him it was NC that paid for that :frown:

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To be fair Nick Clegg was the first to request N.I. to drop their bid altogether.
Millipede and Cameron simply jumped on his wouldbe popularity bandwagon.
I recall Vince Cable declaring open warfare on the Murdochs shortly after gaining office, only to be strangely and quickly moved on to a different dept.

Regarding Sky increasing their already exorbitant prices any further this year, they likely realized it would be self defeating at a time when ppl are feeling the pinch and are moving to other options such as the internet.

Problem is that Sky already control far too much of what comes into our living rooms and the question should now be asked are they fit and proper to have the degree of control they already have.

The number of repeats under the guise of different channels is astronomical and much of the rest is garbage anyway.

The very narrow spectrum of news Sky covers between breaks, which in any event tends to be mirrored exactly by the BBC whose weather forecasts and prog announcements are fixed to coincide with the ads., is pathetic, compared to that in other countries.

I find the Spanish news channels to be far superior in every respect,covering many more issues with opinions from the whole world and his wife.

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Not looking good for him in the US now, did his news network access 9/11 victims phone records? If they did imagine the reaction to that little bombshell!

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It looks to be pure speculation at present, however if there are more skeletons in the cupboard, I wonder if Murdochs tentacles reach far enough politically and financially in the States in order to keep it under wraps and diffuse what would be a massive bombshell to both the country and his empire.

Maybe democracy isn't completely dead in the UK considering that the two issues which have most outraged the public have at least brought about a fairy rapid and positive response.

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Oh please. Please let it be so!

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This whole, sickening saga of press, politics and police reminds me of a visit to a rescued dogs compound. I was astounded to see a large number of dodgy looking dogs walking around in an ever-moving circle, sniffing each others bums.

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Longish article her which says more or less the same as Guy posted yesterday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-settling.html