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Old Aug 5th 2012 | 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by lmj50
In Spain and indeed France lunch is the main meal. In the uk, especially if working I have at best a sandwich on the run, at worse no lunch.
This would not happen in France or Spain for sure.
I have a "full English"(or Welsh in my case) breakfast maybe once a month.
What I have learned from my time in France and Spain is the importance of fruit, veg and eating fresh, in season products
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Originally Posted by Domino
just imagine a future Spain, where like the UK the high streets are full of McD's, BK's, Pizza Hut, Patti's Kitchen, etc etc
Is a nightmare scenario, how has been possible to consent?
 
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Originally Posted by Relampago
Is a nightmare scenario, how has been possible to consent?
have you not seen the television adverts for McDonalds on Spains terrestial channels ??
aimed at you children and advertising a meal in a box for €3.70

Spain is ripe for all the fast food chains.
 
Old Aug 5th 2012 | 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
As I said I'll take it with a pinch of salt. Most of these surveys either have a vested interest or a point they're desperate to prove.
Had it shown the actual long term trend it might have been of some use.

The fact is that Junk food was late arriving in Spain mostly after Francos time.
In the early days it naturally concentrated mainly on tourist areas and its only more recently they have realised that the Spanish are lapping it up and so started moving into more all Spanish districts.

Give them a few years to become established throughout all the smaller towns and then you'll see the true figures.

Anyway as previously mentioned the Spanish kids are already addicted to their own version of junk food.
But what you believe? That because we have McDonalds and other establishments of food shit, we will be more fond of this than you? The McDonalds has been here for more than 30 years, and not for this reason the people have become more fond of this type of foods. No way

These places are good for the fair thing: some school parties, food for students with the fair time, etc. So, you don't confuse, champion
 
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Kids the world over love junk food and it's definitely on the rise in Spain. It's just been a bit late catching on.

The real question is as you mature do you grow out of it and start eating "proper" food.

It always surprises me how many older people eat in Mcdonalds and the like in the Uk. It's as if they know no better. I am sure some haven't had home made food in years or possess a dining table to eat off.

I do hope Spain doesn't go the same way but it's heading in that direction.
 
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Originally Posted by jimenato
Well I would place the standard 8 Euro Menu del Dia firmly in the class of both "Junk" and "Fast" although you might not I suppose.
Menus del dia are no way near fast food. I'm surprised you would say this given that you serve food to people?

Fast food is processed and contains all kinds of hidden salts, sugars and E-numbers and tastes crap because of the way it is stored (at very low temparatures) and heated (very quickly)

Even a crappy menu del dia may be salad as a starter and then filete with a few chips (and I mean a few, maybe 10). Hardly a gastronomical delight but it is not exactly fast food is it!
 
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Is a Big Mac classed as junk food? If so why?
 
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Two definitions from Wikipedia+

Junk food is an informal term for food that is of little nutritional value and often high in fat, sugar, and/or calories.
Junk foods typically contain high levels of calories from sugar or fat with little protein, vitamins or minerals. Common junk foods include salted snack foods, gum, candy, sweet desserts, fried fast food, and carbonated beverages.



Fast food is the term given to food that can be prepared and served very quickly. While any meal with low preparation time can be considered to be fast food, typically the term refers to food sold in a restaurant or store with preheated or precooked ingredients, and served to the customer in a packaged form for take-out/take-away.
In areas which had access to coastal or tidal waters, 'fast food' would frequently include local shellfish or seafood, such as oysters or, as in London, eels.
 
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Chinese food must be junk too as it is all bought in from central depos and heated in the cartons. Thats why they have an extensive menu.
 
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Originally Posted by Fred James
Is a Big Mac classed as junk food? If so why?
I just explained

The bread is loaded with sugar
The cheese is heavily processed, probably doesnt have much or any diary content
The fries are coated in sugar
The fries are made from reconstituted starch powder, not potatoes
The beef includes anything scraped up from the slaughterhouse floor
All beef is heated to over 100c and treated with ammonia, this kills bacteria, but also turns the meat into a tepid and tasteless sludge, hence the need to all the sugar to give it taste
The beef is frozen at -60c and then stuck straight on to a hot frier which again leads to soggy and tasteless meat
The lettace and tomato are stored frozen

i.e. the food is designed to be made cheaply and cooked quickly with the tastes comng almost solely from sugar i.e. fast food

A menu del dia with steak filete and a few chips couldnt be any further from this type of food experience

Anyone who can seriously say that they enjoy a McDs or Burger King has no food credibility in my opinion. I dont really care if its full of sugars or whatever, the point is they taste rubbish. There are many cafes in Spain who serve a burger and chips for roughly the same price but where the taste and experience of the food is much better. Obviously, there are many where it is worse as well!

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I think McDonald's would take issue with what you have said.

Have you ever seen frozen lettuce - most of what you have quoted is rubbish - it might well apply to some other junk food.

As for flavouring meat with sugar - doubtful - more likely to be salt or MSG.
 
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I am not a burger lover but there are strict regulations about what can go into a burger. AFAIK they are more or less 100% meat now. Some of the burgers in Spanish bars have pink stuff oozing out of them

Here you go!

http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/wh...s-it-made.html

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Originally Posted by jackytoo
Chinese food must be junk too as it is all bought in from central depos and heated in the cartons. Thats why they have an extensive menu.
You must go to different Chinese restaurants/take-aways than me. My local Chinese does fresh (and I mean fresh) mussels, razor clams, scallops as well as crab and lobster.
I didn't believe it when I first went there and asked the owner who promptly went out the back and came back in with a live lobster.

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I got it from an article I read in Sur a few years ago...rarely eat in Chinese restaurants but when I do I don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
 
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
I am not a burger lover but there are strict regulations about what can go into a burger. AFAIK they are more or less 100% meat now. Some of the burgers in Spanish bars have pink stuff oozing out of them

Here you go!

http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/wh...s-it-made.html
I guess you guys have never read Fast Food Nation

Still, carry on eating in ignorance!

McDonalds classify beef as anything that comes out of a slaughterhouse, analysis has shown that 3% of this is actual cow sh*t. So in that classification, yes it is 100% beef. Anyhow, the bigger issue is how the meat is handled and treated, which is why it just tastes of the sugars they've added to the bread - and the sugar in the ketchup

To be fair to McDonalds, they do a great job selling safe and cheap food to the people. Its not their fault that people have no taste buds. But you have to wonder why, along with Coca-cola they spend more on marketing in the world than any other company and spend so much time marketing to kids and parents. Surely the food should sell itself if it was so good

Spanish burgers tend to be 50:50 beef and pork hence the pink. They will be 100% pork in the cheaper places. They are of varying quality depending where you go, but they do tend to taste of something other than sugar

btw, putting McDs links about the quality of their burgers is like putting a link to the Pope taking about why you should be a Catholic. McDs spend millions testing their communication to make sure that they can say exactly the right thing to concerned consumers without breaking any rules about actually lying to or misleading consumers

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