Lou71

Apologies once again for subjecting you to another dreadful rag with yet more pig ignorant, xenophobic comments but this may be of interest:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/a...gen-countries/

There is a paywall but I managed to access the article and the comments.

Joppa

What these articles fail to mention is that those with residency in an EU country is exempt from ETIAS, and can cross external Schengen border just with passport and residency document, such as Spanish TIE.

bobd22

I could only get to read a bit of this but it seems to be talking about Etias and trying as usual to make it more onerous than it will be. At the end of the day we Brits whatever our personal situation will have to comply with whatever rules EU imposes on us as the result of our leaving the club. Those of us that didn't want or vote for Brexit will have to accept this. Those that did vote for it will no doubt be happy or will they?

UKMS

Will be a great system in line with many other countries that have done it for years. It will hopefully stop people dodging the system and dodging the rules. It’s 7 euros every 3 years, no big deal.

UKMS

A related experience today. I flew from Tenerife North to Nice via Madrid and didn’t pass through a single passport control (even on arrival in Nice). I’ve just discussed it with my daughter (who works for a large airline in the Middle East) she tells me that everything would have been checked / recorded through the flight system ahead of arrival and anyone of interest would have been plucked out in Nice, but the journey would be recorded against everyone.

Joppa

You stayed within Schengen area so no passport check/control is normal. Yes, there is Advance Passenger Information you submit prior to your flight but it only contains your name, DOB and passport/ID number.

UKMS

Ive travelled a lot within Schengen and usually go through a passport control or check of some description…. if you land in Madrid from Nice you do. . API contains what you outline but your passport / ID is swiped or scanned at check-in to verify it, that goes ahead of you with the flight manifest and it’s that scan that makes a record of your movement or contributes towards it (hence what I’ve mentioned before about stamps being pointless )

Joppa

There may be a record of some kind when your passport/ID is scanned, but there are a lot of databases throughout Schengen and they often don't communicate to each other - hence the need for ETIAS and EES to standardise all entry and exit data for Schengen for immigration control, security, crime prevention and detection etc.

Red Eric

You don't normally go through passport control or have your passport looked at at all on arrival with a Schengen internal flight.

Normally, the only check would be a visual id check at the boarding gate.

rspltd

Everyone tends to picture the EU in the light of the contributing countries forgetting that there are only 7 ( or 8 depending how you interpret the figures) who contribute and about 20 to take. Those countries tend to be the poorest and trying to introduce a computer system which would be compatible with more advanced countries will be a nightmare. Remember how it was discovered that the traffic lights in Moscow were controlled by a computer running Windows XP? I suspect most of us will not see it in our lifetimes.

UKMS

OK .. makes perfect sense thanks …. Leaving Nice this morning the e-gates included UK and some other third countries passport holders not only EU (not sure if this is usual from France)

UKMS

Your details are still recorded against the flight when you book / check-in for the purposes of the flight manifest … has to be done in case of a disaster…. The visual check (for what it’s worth) is simply to make sure the right passenger boards.

Red Eric

LOL!

Portugal is a nett beneficiary of EU funding but still managed to be a pioneer for smart borders.

Schengen member states will be obliged to implement systems to the standards required and agreed.

Joppa

Until ETIAS and EES come on stream, the only IT system requirement is SIS and SISII, which are a passive system used to screen passengers against alerts issued by member states for serious immigration offenders (including those banned from entry into Schengen), fugitives from justice, terrorist suspects, stolen/forged documents etc.

Red Eric

Indeed.

Not for long, though.