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Jon-Bxl Aug 1st 2022 8:53 am

New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
Hi this is for visitors / tourists not 'bona-fide' expats or EU/Schengen residents. But the rules do apply for non-resident 2nd home owners

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/07/29/post-brexit-rule-requires-brits-visiting-spain-to-have-100-spending-money-per-day

Ive only heard about this recently... Note the financial requirements, return ticket, accommodation etc.

Note I believe printouts from online banking aren't accepted as proof of finances. Which is weird to me as many people have gone paperless. A credit card statement is also accepted.. but again many people just look at it online. Even Bank letters arent accepted!

Whilst some people may 'forge' an online document the vast majority wont and this could cause more frustration on entry. Its just impractical....

The link at the end explains the document rules

Jon
From the Spanish tourist authorities: Note they also say that this is not just a spanish thing, they say it applies in all Schengen countries

​​​​​​“At Spanish border control, you may need to show a return or onward ticket; show you have enough money for your stay; show proof of accommodation for your stay, for example, a hotel booking confirmation, proof of address if visiting your own property (eg second home), or an invitation from your host or proof of their address if staying with a third party, friends or family,” says the advice
also
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/spain-entry-requirements-updated-list-7403617

EU.flag Aug 1st 2022 9:26 am

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
These are NOT new Schengen rules! Its all written down in Schengen rule book.
What is new is that some EU states are applying rules more strictly, as its their legal right.

Brexit, gift that keeps giving.

Jon-Bxl Aug 1st 2022 9:50 am

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by EU.flag (Post 13132126)
These are NOT new Schengen rules! Its all written down in Schengen rule book.
What is new is that some EU states are applying rules more strictly, as its their legal right.

Brexit, gift that keeps giving.

Errrr... After all that, your only point is that it isn't new. !! 1 word!! And capitalised bold letters too.

I mentioned that this could apply in all Schengen countries.

In fact if Spain has decided now (or recently) to apply rules they didn't apply before.. AND .... have gone public, then ... these are actually "new"!! For all intents and purposes.

There are other far more important things to get concerned about ! :)
Jon


missile Aug 1st 2022 11:05 am

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
Who goes on holiday without money?

This is not "new" and is scare mongering by British newspapers.
See here for more "new" rules > 11 new rules in Spain every tourist should know - and some come with £2,500 fine - Daily Record

Barriej Aug 1st 2022 11:32 am

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
It's not new. In fact every country in the world has rules like this including the uk.
I can remember being asked for proof of funds when we went to Australia in 2018.

All that is happening now is Spain may ask for this info.
I'm assuming a 20 something scruffy lad with just a backpack would be the type to be profiled, where as a granny with 2 suitcases wouldn't.

Its the same with customs, you can be stopped and searched but 99.9999% of the time ordinary travellers never are.

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UKMS Aug 1st 2022 12:13 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
If anyone reads further into it, a valid credit or debit card is considered 'funds' and as has been mentioned above its nothing new for most countries in the world, its something the UK is particularly hot on for certain types of visa holders arriving in the UK.

Red Eric Aug 1st 2022 1:37 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by Barriej (Post 13132144)
It's not new. In fact every country in the world has rules like this including the uk.
I can remember being asked for proof of funds when we went to Australia in 2018.

All that is happening now is Spain may ask for this info. ...​​

I don't think even that's what's new - they must have been habitually demanding this of non EU nationals all along.

What's new is that UK nationals have now joined those ranks.

UKMS Aug 1st 2022 2:01 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 13132171)

What's new is that UK nationals have now joined those ranks.

Quite right too :)

missile Aug 1st 2022 3:28 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
If your passport is blue
Stand in that long queue

UKMS Aug 1st 2022 3:30 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by missile (Post 13132186)
If your passport is blue
Stand in that long queue

That’s funny …. not sure why I’m laughing though, I’m transiting Madrid next week on way down to Tenerife.

spainrico Aug 1st 2022 4:14 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
I went to the USA (from the UK) in 1980 and had to prove I had a return ticket, a job in the UK to return to, sufficient money and somewhere to stay in the states.

I think these rules have been around for ages but did not previously apply to Brits now we are a 'third' country they do.

Jon-Bxl Aug 1st 2022 4:16 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by UKMS (Post 13132154)
If anyone reads further into it, a valid credit or debit card is considered 'funds' and as has been mentioned above its nothing new for most countries in the world, its something the UK is particularly hot on for certain types of visa holders arriving in the UK.

My point was that in the past few days, the news channels have advised us all that the Spanish authorities have recently advised travellers that they have changed the previous policies and introduced/implemented new policies . After the UK left the EU we fell into a different category, and they've decided to go for a change (or new) rules different than we had before these announcements.

Many sites, like the one Missile added say essentially the same thing.

Credit cards, travellers cheques etc (all mentioned in my OP at the link at the end) are valid - but even bank letters arent accepted nor are print outs from internet banking. They don't want to see a credit card, but a statement... Im guessing showing you have available credit. As in the link also.

I don't think its scare mongering, the quote in the OP is the reaction from the authorities, who are annoyed by people complaining about it.......

I doubt that I would be stopped.... but I do think its important to know when things change.... Especially border entry requirements.

Then its up to each person to decide what level of risk to take .... Vs any penalties/ hassles 'forewarned is forearmed'

Happy travels

Jon
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Red Eric Aug 1st 2022 8:46 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
I'm just surprised that this is being pushed as a change of attitude on the part of the Spanish authorities.

Surely anyone can see that it is the UK that has chosen a change in the relationship, regardless of how that might be presented in (errr..) various sectors of the press.

The Spanish authorities are presumably underlining what it means to be a 3rd country for the benefit of those UK citizens who now find themselves in that position and not Covid-restricted.

What's the deal with "It's Spain" :confused:

missile Aug 1st 2022 9:03 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 13132256)
I'm just surprised that this is being pushed as a change of attitude on the part of the Spanish authorities.

Surely anyone can see that it is the UK that has chosen a change in the relationship, regardless of how that might be presented in (errr..) various sectors of the press.

The Spanish authorities are presumably underlining what it means to be a 3rd country for the benefit of those UK citizens who now find themselves in that position and not Covid-restricted.

What's the deal with "It's Spain" :confused:

I am not surprised :-( they blame the Spanish.
The Brexiteers blame the French for the chaos and delays crossing the channel.

UKMS Aug 1st 2022 9:08 pm

Re: New entry travel rules from non EU / Schengen countries
 
IMHO this is certain elements of the UK press / Internet media outlets creating a headline to attract ‘clicks’. For the mainstream reliable press its been given limited or no coverage. Euronews, Nottingham Post and Daily Record are hardly what I would call mainstream news, click on any of them and your page fills with adverts and click bait. Im sure there have been some articles from the mainstream press with very limited traction.

It’s nothing new, Spain aren’t really pushing it or enforcing it …….. its a non story. Do you really think that the Spanish border staff will start checking everyone’s finances ? Of course they probably do for certain nationalities who are prone to disappearing into the ether once in Spain, in the same way that UK and other countries do. But the average traveller from the UK will not be troubled by this. Of course they will keep it up their sleeve for the odd idiot misbehaving on a flight or on arrival !


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