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whitelinen Aug 13th 2012 12:18 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10224574)
Exactly SG. It appears to be easy to jump from the non-prosperous-middle-class appearance of the people's gardens to the assumption of heinous crimes, and equally possible to assume from well-kept lawns, shiny cars, and good manners that the crimes and abuses don't happen.


non prosperous middle class appearance of their gardens ?

Sam Greenfield Aug 13th 2012 12:18 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10224582)
I'm all good hun, glad you enjoyed your time away.... roll on next year eh?

Defo - id be back there now if i could ;) xxxxx

me me Aug 13th 2012 12:19 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 10224575)
I was on about abuse as well - which does get swept under the carpet all too often :( xxx

I am sure that some cases get swept under the carpet in rich and poor families, but the cases which end in very serious injury or death, do not.

And I am sure that money does not give an abuser immunity under the law.

rugbymatt Aug 13th 2012 12:22 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by me me (Post 10224589)
I am sure that some cases get swept under the carpet in rich and poor families, but the cases which end in very serious injury or death, do not.

And I am sure that money does not give an abuser immunity under the law.

Who said it did? Seriously, sometimes I'm sure people just post on here to start a fight.

me me Aug 13th 2012 12:25 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10224574)
Exactly SG. It appears to be easy to jump from the non-prosperous-middle-class appearance of the people's gardens to the assumption of heinous crimes, and equally possible to assume from well-kept lawns, shiny cars, and good manners that the crimes and abuses don't happen.

Of course you are trying to be smart, but it is a well known fact that quite often a dirty house and appearance goes with other types of neglect.

Neglect as to where the children go and who with.

A mother who allows her children to live in filth, quite often is not so vigilant on who they associate with.

Sam Greenfield Aug 13th 2012 12:26 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by me me (Post 10224589)
I am sure that some cases get swept under the carpet in rich and poor families, but the cases which end in very serious injury or death, do not.

And I am sure that money does not give an abuser immunity under the law.

Me Me - i think you misunderstand what i was on about - i was trying to explain another persons post not my own - of course death doesnt get swept under the carpet and i didnt say that money gives abusers immunity - i said it happens in all societies but people just presume its the lower classes it happens xxx

Lion in Winter Aug 13th 2012 12:27 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10224580)
Quite often the murder is the end of a line, the end of a chain of abuse that may well have been going on for some time.

Exactly. Oh that lovely air of respectability...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_...stigation_2008

Sam Greenfield Aug 13th 2012 12:28 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by me me (Post 10224605)
Of course you are trying to be smart, but it is a well known fact that quite often a dirty house and appearance goes with other types of neglect.

Neglect as to where the children go and who with.

A mother who allows her children to live in filth, quite often is not so vigilant on who they associate with.

I agree with you on this point - plus sometimes as long as they are not under their feet they dont really give a shit where they are either which is very sad xxxxx

Im also on about ALL classes here xxx

Lion in Winter Aug 13th 2012 12:30 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by me me (Post 10224605)
Of course you are trying to be smart, but it is a well known fact that quite often a dirty house and appearance goes with other types of neglect.

Neglect as to where the children go and who with.

A mother who allows her children to live in filth, quite often is not so vigilant on who they associate with.

You are missing the point - which is that the assumption that the characteristics of poor areas mean that the people who live there are criminals, while the corresponding assumption is that in well-kept, well-to-do areas such crimes do not happen. This leads to attitudes that denigrate the poor unjustly and protect the well-to-do unjustly, and does nothing for the victms in either case.

Sam Greenfield Aug 13th 2012 12:46 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 
At the end of the day another poor child has been killed - it doesnt matter where she was from or how much money they had/or had not - shes dead - what an utter waste of another young life :( xxx

Rambling Rose Aug 13th 2012 12:58 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 10224650)
At the end of the day another poor child has been killed - it doesnt matter where she was from or how much money they had/or had not - shes dead - what an utter waste of another young life :( xxx

I think that about sums it up.

As a matter of interest whatever happened to the much cherished British belief of innocence until proof of guilt?

All this speculation about abuse is a bit distasteful (I'm struggling to be polite here) given we know nothing and the post mortem isn't even finished yet.

I just hope that when it comes to trial the jury will decide on evidence not on their preheld prejudices.

Sam Greenfield Aug 13th 2012 1:00 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 10224684)
I think that about sums it up.

As a matter of interest whatever happened to the much cherished British belief of innocence until proof of guilt?

All this speculation about abuse is a bit distasteful (I'm struggling to be polite here) given we know nothing and the post mortem isn't even finished yet.

I just hope that when it comes to trial the jury will decide on evidence not on their preheld prejudices.

RR i think when it involves kids (or even animals and old people) everyone just loses their heads and wants to lynch them - but good point xxx

jackytoo Aug 13th 2012 1:00 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 
The case of Tia did live up to all the stereotypes. A Mother who allows her child to live most of the time in the Grandmothers house despite knowing her lover (and the Mothers ex-lover) was a convicted druggie and more! Even to the picture of him stood at the door of that slum with a can in his hand. Now the Mother turns up weeping and wailing....Typical sort of scenario when many get a new partner the kids by a previous Father is discarded and ignored.

Of course abuse is not confined to dysfunctional families but what does it have to do with this thread...except to get into a point scoring contest with the usual culprits:thumbdown:

rugbymatt Aug 13th 2012 1:01 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 10224684)
I think that about sums it up.

As a matter of interest whatever happened to the much cherished British belief of innocence until proof of guilt?

All this speculation about abuse is a bit distasteful (I'm struggling to be polite here) given we know nothing and the post mortem isn't even finished yet.

I just hope that when it comes to trial the jury will decide on evidence not on their preheld prejudices.

I agree, I said earlier that sadly the hunger for information and the desire to know often feeds the media, who in turn feed us with the information we crave!

me me Aug 13th 2012 1:04 am

Re: Missing girl 'Tia'
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10224695)
The case of Tia did live up to all the stereotypes. A Mother who allows her child to live most of the time in the Grandmothers house despite knowing her lover (and the Mothers ex-lover) was a convicted druggie and more! Even to the picture of him stood at the door of that slum with a can in his hand. Now the Mother turns up weeping and wailing....Typical sort of scenario when many get a new partner the kids by a previous Father is discarded and ignored.

Of course abuse is not confined to dysfunctional families but what does it have to do with this thread...except to get into a point scoring contest with the usual culprits:thumbdown:

Good post, and very true about the point scoring.


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