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Domino Apr 23rd 2013 6:40 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10673911)
No, you've misunderstood. we're going to be looking at possible retirement places. I already know that the places we're looking at this year are probably beyond our budget, but the bh is in love with northern Spain. Still trying to persuade her that Valencia (or maybe Granada) offers a lot better value...:fingerscrossed:

well we have given up on Granada, perhaps it is our specn but to the north there isnt anything suitable for us
we will try to the south but most of what we have already seen is scrappy and/or up a hill with no way out.

almeria seems more likely but then they appear to have bigger illegality problems.

it was much much easier back home
:cool:sigh

agoreira Apr 23rd 2013 7:45 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 
Back to the crisis, had a meeting last night with my Spanish friend who has just come back from a few weeks in Spain, and it's a bleak picture she paints.:frown: Probably quite different to that our own Minister of Propaganda would have you believe. She particularly talked about the ERE,(Expediente de Regulación de Empleo ) which for those that don't know, is a legal means whereby companies lay off workers, either part time for a couple of months or permanently. The government then pays the employee depending on his circumstances, for a max of 2 years. The number of ERE last year went up 56% and this year alone, over 30 large companies announced they will lay off 38,000 employees. The list is endless, from financial, banking, armaments, engineering, tourism etc (thought that was holding up well!) Although they are all effectively out of work, I doubt they figure in the unemployment figures. The posts following the article describes a pretty p1ssed off bunch of Spaniards.
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1769...despidos-2013/

steviedeluxe Apr 23rd 2013 8:05 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 
The job losses for the first quarter (Jan-March) as reported in Aggy's link are not good news, but at least the jobs created in the economy meant by March there was actually a drop in the unemployed figure - yes a very small drop but we shall see greater drops this year.
If we look at the jobs portal, apart from the normal opportunities abroad (and that also is a welcome relief) we are starting to see various large hires now appearing in Spain. Jazztel taking on 3,400 in Barcelona, Ford taking on a 1,000 at Almussafes, Cap gem taking on 200 in Asturias, 600 jobs being created near Jerez, Amazon taking on 400 near Madrid...

http://www.portalparados.es/actualidad

Good news when jobs are created I would have thought? But there are always those who would prefer to see the dark side, for motives we can only guess at..

steviedeluxe Apr 23rd 2013 8:07 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10674698)
well we have given up on Granada, perhaps it is our specn but to the north there isnt anything suitable for us
we will try to the south but most of what we have already seen is scrappy and/or up a hill with no way out.

almeria seems more likely but then they appear to have bigger illegality problems.

it was much much easier back home
:cool:sigh

When you say not suitable, do you mean price, or type of dwelling?
There are cheaper properties around, especially it seems in Valencia. It also appears that buying a second hand home is a lot cheaper than new, but that's just the impression I'm getting.

agoreira Apr 23rd 2013 8:27 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 
¡Madre mía! Don´t know what he said, but he answered that before I posted it!:rofl:

jackytoo Apr 23rd 2013 8:40 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 
I read that the fall in unemployment in March was mainly due to the seasonal recruitment of temporary jobs in the service sector. There is always a traditional fall in unemployment is summer but it goes out like a damp squid around September.

In the news yesterday that Rajoy will announce more cuts next week. Should be light though as the EU have given Spain an extra 2 years to cut it's defecit.

Dick Dasterdly Apr 23rd 2013 8:49 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10675478)
¡Madre mía! Don´t know what he said, but he answered that before I posted it!:rofl:

Credit where it's due.
The Minister of Propaganda is definitely on the ball this morning. :lol:


Much more so than were Barca last night. :thumbdown:
I wonder if that come under the Spanish crisis heading or maybe not as it is Catalonia.

agoreira Apr 23rd 2013 9:04 pm

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10675509)
Credit where it's due.
The Minister of Propaganda is definitely on the ball this morning. :lol:


Much more so than were Barca last night. :thumbdown:
I wonder if that come under the Spanish crisis heading or maybe not as it is Catalonia.

Funnily enough, it was mentioned last night that lots of the regions want independence from Spain, so of course Catalonia cropped up. I said the Spanish team would be snookered without the Catalan players, but on that performance maybe they wouldn't. ;) Still, another leg to go yet, at home.

Domino Apr 24th 2013 1:24 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10675523)
Funnily enough, it was mentioned last night that lots of the regions want independence from Spain, so of course Catalonia cropped up. I said the Spanish team would be snookered without the Catalan players, but on that performance maybe they wouldn't. ;) Still, another leg to go yet, at home.

So, if all the regions were to leave Spain - there would be no Spain, just a jumble of autonomous regions
Italy is exactly the same.

Dick Dasterdly Apr 24th 2013 3:01 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10675965)
So, if all the regions were to leave Spain - there would be no Spain, just a jumble of autonomous regions
Italy is exactly the same.

Is there the same discontent and desire for complete independence in the Italian regions, as exists in Spain ?

Domino Apr 24th 2013 3:20 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10676187)
Is there the same discontent and desire for complete independence in the Italian regions, as exists in Spain ?

not sure, perhaps we should ask :)
Italy has only been a single nation since the mid 1800's whilst Spain has been unified since the late 1400's

but surely this is the same as GB/UK splitting up into its 4 parts, although Cornwall keeps muttering about going on its own IIRC.

personally I cannot see anything to be gained from it, in the same way as Scotland is finding out.
nationalism makes for plenty of rhetoric but at the end of the day strange bedfellows and too many compromises
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Pocaloca Apr 24th 2013 4:39 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10675965)
So, if all the regions were to leave Spain - there would be no Spain, just a jumble of autonomous regions
Italy is exactly the same.

Seems to work in the USA though?

jackytoo Apr 24th 2013 4:55 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 
because they are mainly singing from the same hymn sheet:unsure::cool:

Dick Dasterdly Apr 24th 2013 5:52 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10676451)
Seems to work in the USA though?

Apart from the civil war there are virtually no major historical divisions to speak of, indeed little history at all regarding the settlers, with a fair old mix from all around the globe in almost every state.
A totally different ball game.

Domino Apr 24th 2013 6:43 am

Re: How will La Crisis effect Spain in the long term?
 

Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10676451)
Seems to work in the USA though?

does it ???

didn't California go bust whilst no one else seemed bothered ?
but then they have national laws, state laws and district (or something) laws.
and in that order of preference.

so it would seem that their model for a union sort of works, the one employed by Russia didn't, and the EU version - well the jury is out, but they don't seem to be asking many questions of the judge.
:frown:

The only way to resolve La Crisis would be to leave the EU - Never Happen.
Same applies to Greece, Cyprus and Italy.
But the problem is, is it out of the frying pan into the fire :eek:

I believe we will maintain the status quo, stick with the decisions that have lead to all states being where they are at the moment.
Nationalism is fine to rally the troops but beyond that even the nationalists have no idea what they would, or could, do for the future.

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