Gibraltar
Feb 14th 2014, 7:03 am
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Re: Gibraltar
Still shy to tell us why not, despite your abnormal obsession with a subject which has absolutely zilch affect on you personally.
Feb 14th 2014, 7:08 am
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Feb 14th 2014, 7:10 am
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Rigorous passport checks at the frontier by the Spanish I guess , something to hide?
Feb 14th 2014, 7:11 am
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Strange how Fred rarely posts anything other than those from the Gib popular press , nor comments on the vested interests in Gib who are profiting while others spend hours queuing in the sun.
I wonder why ??
I wonder why ??
Feb 14th 2014, 7:15 am
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Feb 14th 2014, 7:21 am
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So next time the BBC show reports, any reports from Gib it is biased and revealing its leftist views.
Fred will not post them because they are unreliable and pro Spain etc.
Do you want to re think your last post.
Feb 14th 2014, 7:23 am
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smacks of a human rights problem there.
ye protesteth too much Sunny Jim and have no knowledge of what you are talking about - but ISTR this isn't the first time I and others have told you that. IIRC you haven't even left the safety of over-taxed Portugal to venture into Spain letalone actually see Gib and what a den of iniquity it really is
think you should remain in your "library" and read all you can about the world.
Feb 14th 2014, 7:27 am
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No one with any sense would use a work of fiction as a reference scource.
Simple facts. the Spanish revolt was in 1808, Wellington did not arrive in Portugal until 1811.
One of the first and largest defeats inflicted on Napoleans armies was in Spain by a Spanish arrmy long before there were any British troops in Portugal.
But those who like to rewrite History because is denigrates Spain will carry on doing so no matter what the facts are/
Simple facts. the Spanish revolt was in 1808, Wellington did not arrive in Portugal until 1811.
One of the first and largest defeats inflicted on Napoleans armies was in Spain by a Spanish arrmy long before there were any British troops in Portugal.
But those who like to rewrite History because is denigrates Spain will carry on doing so no matter what the facts are/
I am the one who along with a couple of others have been blasted for talking up Spain. I live here, I want to see it improve - but carrying out political shenanigans with a neighbour will not improve, more likely cause problems elsewhere as many other EU countries MP's have expressed concern at Spains activitities.
Feb 14th 2014, 7:31 am
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Cigarette smuggling is a smoke screen
What we have today is a price differential between what cigarettes are sold at in Gibraltar and what they are bought for legally in Spain. Despite the price hike imposed by our Government that difference is seemingly still sufficient for the organised criminal gangs to send waves of people across to bring back large scale contraband.
However Gibraltar is free to charge whatever price it likes: there is nothing illegal in that. The illegality starts when the smugglers try to take the cigarettes into La Línea.
Every week day on the Spanish side of the border are men and women waiting for the cigarette traffickers to come through Customs with their booty. The National Police and Guardia Civil can see them and know who they are. It is not unusual to see groups of Spanish women standing in the door of the Customs post calling to the Guardia Civil on duty as other women with cigarettes come through. This is the Spanish cigarette trafficking trade and it is in Spain's power to stop it.
The Chief Minister was correct, if the Spanish media reports are to be believed, when he said that tobacco smuggling across the La Línea border is minor compared with the trafficking in Spain. He is 100 per cent right: it might impact on the Campo de Gibraltar but the major supply coming into Spain enters not via La Línea but Algeciras. In to that port, and others, sail ships with containers packed full of illegal cigarettes. Some are discovered by the Customs and when they are the resulting number of packs puts cigarette smuggling cross our borders into perspective. These illicit cargos are huge
Spain does have a problem at the Gibraltar border with smuggling but it is a Spanish problem and does not justify the draconian queues out and nobody has yet smuggled any cigarettes in! So Madrid's complaints to the EU about tobacco smuggling are just a smoke screen for its politically inspired actions.
I have been pounding the Gibraltar journalistic beat long enough to remember the days when the black launches landed cigarettes on the beaches of the Campo de Gibraltar. That was a Gibraltar problem and Gibraltar solved it.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...11448&offset=0
What we have today is a price differential between what cigarettes are sold at in Gibraltar and what they are bought for legally in Spain. Despite the price hike imposed by our Government that difference is seemingly still sufficient for the organised criminal gangs to send waves of people across to bring back large scale contraband.
However Gibraltar is free to charge whatever price it likes: there is nothing illegal in that. The illegality starts when the smugglers try to take the cigarettes into La Línea.
Every week day on the Spanish side of the border are men and women waiting for the cigarette traffickers to come through Customs with their booty. The National Police and Guardia Civil can see them and know who they are. It is not unusual to see groups of Spanish women standing in the door of the Customs post calling to the Guardia Civil on duty as other women with cigarettes come through. This is the Spanish cigarette trafficking trade and it is in Spain's power to stop it.
The Chief Minister was correct, if the Spanish media reports are to be believed, when he said that tobacco smuggling across the La Línea border is minor compared with the trafficking in Spain. He is 100 per cent right: it might impact on the Campo de Gibraltar but the major supply coming into Spain enters not via La Línea but Algeciras. In to that port, and others, sail ships with containers packed full of illegal cigarettes. Some are discovered by the Customs and when they are the resulting number of packs puts cigarette smuggling cross our borders into perspective. These illicit cargos are huge
Spain does have a problem at the Gibraltar border with smuggling but it is a Spanish problem and does not justify the draconian queues out and nobody has yet smuggled any cigarettes in! So Madrid's complaints to the EU about tobacco smuggling are just a smoke screen for its politically inspired actions.
I have been pounding the Gibraltar journalistic beat long enough to remember the days when the black launches landed cigarettes on the beaches of the Campo de Gibraltar. That was a Gibraltar problem and Gibraltar solved it.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...11448&offset=0
TBH the guy on the pedallo would have been able to carry more.
Feb 14th 2014, 8:18 am
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Obviously you are trying to rewrite it yourself and imply that the Spanish could have dealt with Nappy.
Next you'll be telling us they won the battle of trafalgar and didn't make a total cock-up with the armada.
Now we know why you spout so much poppycock.
You rewrite your own history books to match your own imaginary preferred outcome and then read them back to yourself so many times that you actually believe them.
Next you'll be telling us they won the battle of trafalgar and didn't make a total cock-up with the armada.
Now we know why you spout so much poppycock.
You rewrite your own history books to match your own imaginary preferred outcome and then read them back to yourself so many times that you actually believe them.
Also if you read my posts you will see that I specifically point out that Fiction is NOT a reliable scource of historical reference.
Regarding the Gibraltar dispute, the loss of tourist and other cross border revenue must be more important than cigarette sales so raising the tax, removing one of the issues that Spain uses to its advantage is an obvious diplomatic move with financial and other benefits.
Feb 14th 2014, 9:00 am
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Lots of dodgy ones around according to the latest news.
Feb 14th 2014, 10:07 am
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As usual DD ypu are one pf those incapable of debate, insult yes but reasoned arguement is way beyond your intellectual capabilities.
Historical fact is not fictional nonsense unlike most of your posts.
Domino where did I suggest that Gib stops selling cigarettes, all I suggest is that the price is increased to match that in Spain.
More money for the exchequere in Gib and and the end of the " legal ???" sales to the smugglers.
Historical fact is not fictional nonsense unlike most of your posts.
Domino where did I suggest that Gib stops selling cigarettes, all I suggest is that the price is increased to match that in Spain.
More money for the exchequere in Gib and and the end of the " legal ???" sales to the smugglers.
Feb 14th 2014, 10:31 am
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Unable to explain why you didn't visit the SOURCE of your reason for hatred and abnormal interest, in order to research the facts properly.
Yet expecting your own ridiculous, fictional version of the Gib situation and other events to be seriously considered.
Maybe time to come out of the closet and be honest about yourself just for once, before ranting any further, as your pathetic hate filled charade obviously isn't fooling anyone on here.
Which language school did you go to by the way ?
If I was you, I'd be round there sharpish looking for a refund.
Feb 14th 2014, 7:28 pm
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Shame there is no Hot Fish n Chip smuggling, that would seriously put the Spanish economy in the doldrums.................
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