Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7782478)

Why not ask a kind mod to pull all the posts about EUC out and start a specific thread for them, then there will be an easy way to search and retrieve the information instead of getting lost in this mish mash thread ?

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7782478)

Why not ask a kind mod to pull all the posts about EUC out and start a specific thread for them, then there will be an easy way to search and retrieve the information instead of getting lost in this mish mash thread ?

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 7782421)

Hi Taff

Firstly in order to save any possible miscommunication, let me once again thank you for the great post you did and the information about the tax, for example, which I also thanked you for in my reply.

Its this type sharing of information, from great people that take the time to do so, that has made this forum very valuable for me. Also the discussion that ensues after the kind of post that you did is very interesting for all.

I'm wrong that Mr Tipper is the president, for some reason I thought he was - and I hope that it was very clear that I was in no way criticising him personally. I would never do something like that in a public forum.
The Mayor is the President Steve Tipper is the English rep on the board (and he speaks English too).

I cant substantiate this except to say that I know someone very well who is fluent who attends these meetings and told me that they are in Spanish only. I trust this person implicitly.
I also have that implicit trust as they tipped me off to the meeting and told me how to gain admittance but at 5.00pm on that Friday I was putting my son on a plane at Faro so just not possible to attend.
It was also notified in a local English speaking paper.

Your reply actually adds meat to the discussion, to help me and some others that are reading this. (E.g. I had no idea that the EUC charge would be added to the council tax) You know more about the EUC than I do.
I am still not sure that can happen certainly when I go to pay my IBI on the 30/09/2008 I already know that for the year it is only €5.60 more expensive than last year. On the other hand it would be the cheapest way to collect it and would automatically fine those who did not pay just so long as the fines were also spent on CE!

To summarise:

1) You thought the meetings had an interpreter, so we are on the same page about bi-lingual meetings. In fact in the last meeting, I'm told, the wife of one of the members offered to do so (for a charge). I don't believe this was noted down in the minutes. I have misplaced the mail I got, but I don't recall even seeing minutes, just an overall discussion
I too have never seen minutes. Just a report in that same English paper of the inaugral meeting.

2) I remain suspicious about the EUC, and the fact that we are a cash cow. We were in CE when the last meeting was held, that was NOT publicised, we heard by accident through this friend, and e.g actually informed John+Kath about it, who as plot owners didn't know. There's not much that they don't know about CE et al ! :) All the rest that you say about non-democratic decisions, not informing people of meetings, self appointed boards etc etc, simply underlines my suspicion about the whole thing. When I hear that its non-English, it just adds fuel to the fire, for me.
Should we not all be suspicious about our masters (witness the ex's scandel in UK) It behoves us all to attend when invited and to keep on top of the proceedings even if they are in the national tongue of Spain.
The Board was not self appointed just voted in by those very few present at the first meeting. The only non-owner on the board is the Mayor and we can vote on him at the Municipal elections (we are all on the Padron after all!).

Nothing is perfect as you say - and we cant expect a perfect democratic organisation for something like this. However to return to the main point that I want to make, that we agree on I think: The least we can do about this is to ensure bi-lingual meetings, with an interpreter (like all others), so that EVERYBODY, board members to the concerned owner-audience can understand what's going on and partake in the discussion.
I am sure that they will allow an interpreter at the meeting if asked wittness the English only email address. Minutes any minutes published in English as well as Spanish would be wonderful.

I'll pay up of course, but I want to make sure we are not setting up a system to 'line someone's pocket' ..... too much. For me, openness is key to this, and its early enough to try and make sure the system is as secure as possible.
Be very careful here the €20 a month quote was just that only a quote and qualified as typical but you can bet it was for the smallest property on CE and a 3 bed duplex on Marina Esuri will be 3 times that. God knows what a house on a plot comes out at maybe €750 pa.

Hopefully this discussion will help us get some way there.

My thanks to you Jon for getting us going.

Thanks again

Jon

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7782534)

Oh shut up for now and go with the flow this is too important to to let it get away from us now.

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 7782617)

Hi John, in a bad mood today? I've never been told off by you before!

I started this as I heard there was no realtime bilingual meeting and have posted a lot over the past few days on this. I also am very suspicious about where the money is/will go with the EUC. But I think Im done now with these comments - otherwise I just repeat myself.

Just took a little break to respond to another post.... hope alls well with you

Jon

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7782644)

No just pulling your leg we are all fine. Just seen the news pictures of the awful fires on the Med coast and just hope they do not spread our way.

You are right to be cautious about the cost but I agree with other commentators the Spanish in particular should be watching the expense like hawks since they have no more money than us to waste in the credit crunch and they should know how to keep the costs down in Spain.

I would say that the one car I saw apart the grounds maintenance teams that I saw did a really good job and the main dual carriageway looked fantastic just before the holiday season started so that must be good for everyone who wants to impress the renters. Also the intercommunity teams were really pulling the stops out so overall the place looked very nice.

The only disappointment is really the plots and I can't see what you can do about that except keep the rubish down to a minimum.

Originally Posted by shirley and anthony hide (Post 7782868)

The bit that concerns me is that EUC seems to be up and running.
So questions are.
1)Where is the money coming from as no one has paid diddly squat yet.
2)If and when we are charged will it be backdated ,and from when.
3)All we have heard is hearsay about the cost,ie 20 Euro per month maybe but adjusted for coefficient or property possibly.
Surely when it was agreed to set up EUC, costs must have been assessed or
was it a suck it and see job.

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7782531)

Brilliant idea now if you were a mod and not just an old lag like me you could do it but I suppose we will have to go down on bended kknee to Mitzy' where is he when you need him

Super Sue or Good ole Mitzzy would you please find all the posts on Costa Esuri EUC and post on a new thread on the Ayamonte club sub forum. It only started at Christmas 2008 so a search to about October should do it. Jon BXL Andy s and us have posted but there were others.

Prettyplease many thanks in anticipation your ever grateful subjects John and Kath!!!

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7783264)

Come on mitz, they`re on a roll. :-))
Put the latest ones on , then get the others later.

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7781138)

Anyone who wants to contact theEUC can do so by email in English at

[email protected]

this is a firm of solicitors in Huelva and is not the "EUC" or confiserv.

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 7783352)

Hi John Who are these people and what is their function in CE please? I thought the Moron Pendas brothers were the lawyers associated with the EUC?

Just try and be nice this time, in your reply, please :p:p

Jon

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7783274)

Oh come on Mitzy such a super techie as you a quick search on CE EUC and the jos done pretty please? :fingerscrossed::D

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 7783463)

OOh you are a one! Truth be told I don't really know.

MP are not to the best of my knowledge acting in any official capacity for the EUC. One of the principals is elected to be the Secretary to the board and he does that as a property owner on knob (spelling?) hill (a townhouse on the hill).

When my street lights did not work this was the addy I was given and told it was a legal firm in Huelva but that they were not the legal reps for the EUC nor were they connected to Confi Serv but they did get my lights fixed quick then they asked for my contact details so I became wary at that stage. They do of course have my email so if they want me they can soon write. However I wrote to them in English and they replied in Englsh so I cannot complain just feel guilty at my complete lack of Spanish.

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 7784755)

Hmmm........ another strange thing about the EUC, a legal firm that helps but are not the legal reps for EUC.

Getting weirder daily!

We need full bi-lingual meetings in real time, with full disclosure... after all we are paying for it... and so it isnt a favour from anyone if we demand it!

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 7784758)

Its not such a 'mess' either..... this thread is great - and the people that give us a hard time, have their own problems.