You aren't responding to what is being said.

Nobody is denying that there are acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam, are they. I could also provide lists of all sorts of violence committed in the name of all sorts of things. But that wouldn't be very interesting or informative.

I don't have to respond to what you are saying, it's a forum and you are a bully.

I live in the present. I am not scared or paranoid, otherwise I wouldn't visit London most weeks.

Er, OK. I thought the point of a discussion was to respond to each other's points.

My mistake.

I have to agree with some of what you say Matt, but when "radicals" take video's of beheading innocent hostages, or enter a packed wedding celebration and blow themselves and hundreds of people into oblivion or similar on a London Bus or Tube train - do you honestly expect people to think kindly towards people who are muslim, who were their pyjamas during the day, cover their women from head to toe in black.

OK the christian church dresses nuns in black, and christians, agnostics, even plain old heathens go round in tracksuits all day. Although I am not sure about those who allow their women to dress in the skimpyest of clothing, leaving little to the imagination.

Someone somewhere will say that a wrong has to be righted, perhaps going back decades or even centuries. But you don't see the modern Romans running around killing people because they lost their huge empire.
It is about time things moved to a truce, yes it will be an uneasy one for a long time, but both sides have to take responsibility for sorting out their radicals, who are the ones causing the majority of problems, to maintain that peace.

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Well said by someone who prefers to hide their previous posts. If I wanted to respond and quote something you said it would mean trawling all the posts to find it.

No and I absolutely agree with you Dom, it's almost impossible to rationalise in the face of such anger and aggression but as we saw with the IRA and their like aggression, violence and reprisals against them just don't work. We need to come up with a better idea, even some hardline Israelis agree that something has to be done to change the mindset that dictates it's perfectly OK to strap a bomb to your chest and take innocent people to their doom. I think we can agree though, isolating the Muslim community by making them the new bogeyman can only end in disaster. My point thought this whole thread has been that there are SO many muslims here in the world and so few of them are evil.... Painting them ALL as evil just breeds more evil and resentment. What is tell tell is how in fully integrated Muslim communities the idea of killing themselves and innocent people is considered vile. It's in the closed communities that those beliefs thrive.

I guess in a way that comes back to the original thread subject, faith schools.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you mean by "hide my previous posts". My post count doesn't show on the left because I chose that option in my profile. You can find all my posts (though I don't know why anyone would want to) in the same way you can for everyone else. Just click on my name there on the left and choose "find more posts by".

Allow? THEIR women? Are you not falling into the category of regarding women as some kind of personal property there?

We now have a second little blond girl found with a Roma family this time in Ireland.
No one would be so stupid as to brand thisentire community as traffickers n children so why are some in such a rush to condemn the majority of those who follow the Islamic faith.
I would have thought that anyone with a basic O level education of the history of the last 100 years would be aware of how easy it is to slip from predjudice to race hate and eventually into genocide, from Turks n Armenia, communists in the Ukraine and much of Russia, the Nazis, Serbs, Hutus etc etc etc.
I was in a London hotel when an IRA bomb was detonated in a nearby street, I used to visit NI during the troubles but as JT said I just got on with life and the threat to life was magnitudes higher then from the IRA/UDF etc than from fringe groups who follow Islam.
What was it Roosevelt said about " Fearing Fear itself" ?
We in the UK may face a threat from a tiny % of the native muslim community but the bigger threat to the UK as we know it may come from Chinese economic dominance of the worlds economy and declning rescources.

not me Lynn, just commenting on others attitudes.

I have never, ever, treated a woman as a piece of personal property
Do you think I should ??
but its getting a bit late for me to change now

Well, I think you have said something very relevant. All this stuff about religion is often loaded against women having the right to live their own lives as they wish. It seems that the main religions are written by men, for men. The sooner both men and women cop on to this the better. then perhaps the "standards" can be more flexible.

I agree, and to my mind it is not compatible to defend womens rights and defend Islam in the same breath.

Those that do are not being honest with themselves or others.

And there is no place for such discrimination of women in the UK.

however, although the largest, Islam isn't the only religion that doesn't afford the same rights as Christianity would appear appear to do

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You are correct, there is nothing that is compatible with anything else!
These writings appear to be written for men by men. All appear to be anti female. Stoning women appears to be some form of global past-time.
Try to look beyond Islam, see the bigger picture. "They, not necessarily Islam" appear to be out to get you and your kind!
Then again it is all about interpretation and how people choose to interpret what is before them.