It was tough for some. Tired? no, just dazed. Let's take this a tad further. Under the Nazis you could walk down the street without fear of getting mugged, well, as long as you weren't gay, jewish, etc.....

Mussolini had a (false) reputation for a great train service, but the lardy little fascist couldn't even do that.

Can you imagine a society where you hand over law and order to criminals, let alone murdering psychopathic ones?

Paradise, I tell you. Heaven on earth!

No bil I will never have to eat those words as they have nothing to do with the current situation except to say you can't categorically state that if a bullet is police issue. It was shot by a policeman. Sure it increases the likelihood. Unlike you I wouldn't rush to that Judgement.

the better example is the guy shot for having a chair leg in a shopping bag

I'd better stop rioting and looting then I guess. Also defending the looters. Or was it my evil twin that posted that all criminal acts sould be punished?

My crime is to demand similar levels of responsibility from those in authority.

You seem to suggest (I'm sure you don't really mean this) that until the investigation is over and done, we should all keep schtum, not comment on any perceived misbehaviour by the police, and then if I think that the result was a whitewash, I must restrict my complaints to the ballot box.

Boys and girls. Would that kind of action mean that police criminal activity was stopped on the spot, or more likely allowed to continue unchecked?

I used to keep note of all the dodgy police stuff that appeared in Private eye, but gave up because was so sickened by the amounts.

Winston Silcott was a classic, and from a riot too!

Yeah, he was allegedly pointing it at them. Imagine the scene. The guy is pointing something at you so you shoot him. Now draw the track of the bullet so as to make it enter the back of his head.......

Obfuscating again bil
give the Nazis title to the little scrotes trashing London at the moment, everything else is the same

change Mussolini to Berlusconi etc etc

but we have handed law and order to the criminals, allowing them to take over parts of the capital city with impunity and no viable response.
using a disheartened police force lead by people who (currently) are not sure what their (temporary) remit is. Leaders who are afraid to use the full gamut of tools available to them, whilst allowing the kettling of people not involved (as cited in BBC R4 1o'clock news)

once some of the 500 or so that have so far been arrested a number of other crimes will be solved.
as to murdering psychopaths, at least one teenager is knifed to death in London every month (or is it every week). For daring to be there. For daring to speak to a girl. For daring to live in the same street.
then there are the drive by shootings etc etc etc.

everyone has rights some more than others

choice between Krays and the little scrotes running around at the moment ??
then the psychopathic Krays are a better option than the psychopathic scrotes.
but then we have already handed society over to the latter haven't we

Dammit man, I know I had a drink with my lunch, but I thought it was water not vodka laced with hallucinogens.

You know, I treat the police with a fair degree of caution and cynicism (en masse, individually they are often quite ok), but even I wouldn't dream of rating the current policeforce as being less use or value that organised crime, or disorganised rioters.

Jeez, where would you get that daft idea from
obfuscating again or perhaps you should revisit that lunch and take just water

however, there must be something wrong for all senior members of govt and Boris Johnson to have to give up their holidays to "take control"

Well, if the bullets fired match the bullets from the police weapons, and the bullets in the corpse's gun are all different from the police bullets, then I think that you will find that the coroner will be happy to say that the bullets came from a police gun. OK? It's called forensics. They will even be able to say which weapon the bullets came out of(if it's still in one piece) and they can tell if the bullet came from the same batch of ammunition or not. Forensics on firearms is a pretty advanced science these days, so those words might just come back at you.

Can you tell me where I have rushed to judgement? I'm still happy that it could be a righteous shooting. There are just a few things that need explaining, like why, if the gun was wrapped up did they shoot him, but maybe he was stupid enough to threaten them with a gun he couldn't use.

We shall see.

I'm just amused that I'm getting attacked for saying that the police have to answer questions. Not that they comitted a crime, just that they have to demonstrate it was a righteous killing. Is that really so bad?

It seems to me that many on here have made their minds up, some to the extent of calling the guardian a rag because it said that the bullet might have been police issue. Someone else is going to be dining on their own words if the guardian was right.

I'm really sorry man if I got it wrong. You'll just have to blame the poster for a complicated, nonsensical post. It was number 126, if that's a help.

I've seen many angry faces today, all advocating that tonight there will be 16,000 police officers on the streets of London, drawn from forces all over the country.

How did it ever come to this? Why is the use of rubber bullets even being discussed by our leaders? Some crackpots are even talking about calling in the armed forces.

A Scotland Yard commander admitted that the police cells were full, but that his men would continue to arrest suspects. As his statement coincided with the news that tomorrow's international was cancelled, are they contemplating using the Wembley stadium for prisoners?

Cue 10cc 'Rubber bullets'

I don't think you're being attacked for the reason you stated, but maybe you should sit back and consider before hammering away at your keyboard with views that are a bit repetitive and very much overstated.

This discussion is about a serious matter that affects all of us, it's not about you.

Exactly.

Exactly. He's been at it all day by the looks of it, time he went for a lay down.