the breakdown of society?
Aug 9th 2011 | 12:53 am
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Aug 9th 2011 | 12:54 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Watching this on the tv and internet im just glad some thing like this isn't happening in Ireland our police wouldn't do a much better job.
I think most country's / police forces should take a look at how the French deal with some thing like this..they would be straight in with water cannons and riot police, not sitting back and letting it spiral out of control and no questions about being PC or racism,
Their farmers/truckers take the same approach block the ports and get their message across and what do we do...sit back and complain..Rant over.
A lot of this is bored teenagers with nothing to do joining in with the group and a few more professional taking the opportunity to rob a few warehouses with no chance of being caught.
What ever was the reason for starting this is now forgotten
I think most country's / police forces should take a look at how the French deal with some thing like this..they would be straight in with water cannons and riot police, not sitting back and letting it spiral out of control and no questions about being PC or racism,
Their farmers/truckers take the same approach block the ports and get their message across and what do we do...sit back and complain..Rant over.
A lot of this is bored teenagers with nothing to do joining in with the group and a few more professional taking the opportunity to rob a few warehouses with no chance of being caught.
What ever was the reason for starting this is now forgotten
Aug 9th 2011 | 12:58 am
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Aren't we missing the point of the whole "law and order" thing in democracies. If anybody, including a policeman, shoots someone else, it should be investigated thoroughly and the culprit punished by the law of the land. But you can only cry "foul" after the investigation or in the absence of an investigation. Neither of which happened here.
His shooting wouldn't cause any of us to do much more than raise an eyebrow. A bit like me standing in the shower and striking a match.
Where it happened, it's the old ruptured petrol drum analogy.
Don't you think that the police should have handled themselves a bit more carefully after the shooting?
WRTo the law and order stuff, how many times has this scene been enacted, and the police remaining unpunished?
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:00 am
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Watching this on the tv and internet im just glad some thing like this isn't happening in Ireland our police wouldn't do a much better job.
I think most country's / police forces should take a look at how the French deal with some thing like this..they would be straight in with water cannons and riot police, not sitting back and letting it spiral out of control and no questions about being PC or racism,
Their farmers/truckers take the same approach block the ports and get their message across and what do we do...sit back and complain..Rant over.
A lot of this is bored teenagers with nothing to do joining in with the group and a few more professional taking the opportunity to rob a few warehouses with no chance of being caught.
What ever was the reason for starting this is now forgotten
I think most country's / police forces should take a look at how the French deal with some thing like this..they would be straight in with water cannons and riot police, not sitting back and letting it spiral out of control and no questions about being PC or racism,
Their farmers/truckers take the same approach block the ports and get their message across and what do we do...sit back and complain..Rant over.
A lot of this is bored teenagers with nothing to do joining in with the group and a few more professional taking the opportunity to rob a few warehouses with no chance of being caught.
What ever was the reason for starting this is now forgotten
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:02 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
I mean you won't find all the facts by rioting and looting... you seem to be defending the looters because a policeman shot an innocent unarmed man. If that is the case, you wait until AFTER any investigation and then VOICE your disapproval by voting and peaceful protest. Violence begets more violence. Also, just as a matter of interest, how many people have the police shot in the past 10 years that have not been investigated fully.
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:03 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
I just love it. 3 great points you raised there. Let's look at them, shall we?
1. My reasons were that I wished to reply to the point about the apology.
2. Where did I say that they shot SL? I was talking about insincere/late apologies.
3. I think you will find I did.
I chose to comment on one point you raised, because I felt that you were being naive in saying that the police would apologise, and I didn't want the point obscured by the rest of you post.
OK?
Oh yeah, re facts. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
1. My reasons were that I wished to reply to the point about the apology.
2. Where did I say that they shot SL? I was talking about insincere/late apologies.
3. I think you will find I did.
I chose to comment on one point you raised, because I felt that you were being naive in saying that the police would apologise, and I didn't want the point obscured by the rest of you post.
OK?
Oh yeah, re facts. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
Duggan = shooting
Jiminez = shooting
Lawrence = bad investigation\management
therefore mutually exclusive
I am not being naive by saying the police will apologise - I never said when !
the IPCC reckon on it being up to 6m before they give their report.
when was the last time a rioter apologised.??
oh yes laddy Gilmour - so shit scared at the thought of going to prison and losing his uni place he even had his haircut and wore a suit as instructed by his brief. His 16 months will probably be seen as the tarrif.
the other cretinous lemmings will only look on being taken in front of the beak as a right of passage, prison tattoos as a badge proving their position in their society (note - their society, not society in general)
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:03 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
You'll have to excuse my stupidity by what are non reflective and (presumably) reflective people?
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:04 am
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I agree on the whole with this, but this riot wasn't caused by us discussing it here. Rational, thinking people. OK, mostly rational. It was sparked, in part by a white copper shooting a black man, in an area where there are (justifiably or not) a lot of non reflective citizens with a serious grudge against what they perceive as a police force out to get them.
His shooting wouldn't cause any of us to do much more than raise an eyebrow. A bit like me standing in the shower and striking a match.
Where it happened, it's the old ruptured petrol drum analogy.
Don't you think that the police should have handled themselves a bit more carefully after the shooting?
WRTo the law and order stuff, how many times has this scene been enacted, and the police remaining unpunished?
His shooting wouldn't cause any of us to do much more than raise an eyebrow. A bit like me standing in the shower and striking a match.
Where it happened, it's the old ruptured petrol drum analogy.
Don't you think that the police should have handled themselves a bit more carefully after the shooting?
WRTo the law and order stuff, how many times has this scene been enacted, and the police remaining unpunished?
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:06 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Ignoring the comments by people so prejudiced that they post nonsense, we must accept that as a society we are all to blame for what happened. We let a situation develop, right in our midst, where an eventual riot situation became inevitable.
We probably leaned too far to the left for the past 20 years or so, giving too much respect to minority groups which didn't deserve it. Perhaps we hoped to educate them out of their often criminal and destructive ways.
It didn't work and we are now reaping the benefit. The rioters are openly teasing the police officers facing them because they (the rioters) know that the police are restrained from taking any robust action.
A thousand cameras will record every single police officer's move and if they strike a demonstrator with their batons, and that poor rioter dies because he has a dickie heart, then all the weirdos in the world will be screaming police brutality for evermore.
The result is that they have held back, they have hidden behind their shields, largely leaderless, and they do not want to appear at the Old Bailey charged with manslaughter, like one of their colleagues.
I find it funny that the very same lefties and general weirdos shouting for more police accountability are now shouting for them to be more 'robust'.
We probably leaned too far to the left for the past 20 years or so, giving too much respect to minority groups which didn't deserve it. Perhaps we hoped to educate them out of their often criminal and destructive ways.
It didn't work and we are now reaping the benefit. The rioters are openly teasing the police officers facing them because they (the rioters) know that the police are restrained from taking any robust action.
A thousand cameras will record every single police officer's move and if they strike a demonstrator with their batons, and that poor rioter dies because he has a dickie heart, then all the weirdos in the world will be screaming police brutality for evermore.
The result is that they have held back, they have hidden behind their shields, largely leaderless, and they do not want to appear at the Old Bailey charged with manslaughter, like one of their colleagues.
I find it funny that the very same lefties and general weirdos shouting for more police accountability are now shouting for them to be more 'robust'.
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:10 am
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
I actually heard this idot, who daren't say even 'Afro American' that they resorted to using 'non reflective to describe this black guy.
I didn't know whether to vomit or laugh.
You have to admit it is glorious eh? A bit like 'Significant other'.
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:12 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
I agree on the whole with this, but this riot wasn't caused by us discussing it here. Rational, thinking people. OK, mostly rational. It was sparked, in part by a white copper shooting a black man, in an area where there are (justifiably or not) a lot of non reflective citizens with a serious grudge against what they perceive as a police force out to get them.
His shooting wouldn't cause any of us to do much more than raise an eyebrow. A bit like me standing in the shower and striking a match.
Where it happened, it's the old ruptured petrol drum analogy.
Don't you think that the police should have handled themselves a bit more carefully after the shooting?
WRTo the law and order stuff, how many times has this scene been enacted, and the police remaining unpunished?
His shooting wouldn't cause any of us to do much more than raise an eyebrow. A bit like me standing in the shower and striking a match.
Where it happened, it's the old ruptured petrol drum analogy.
Don't you think that the police should have handled themselves a bit more carefully after the shooting?
WRTo the law and order stuff, how many times has this scene been enacted, and the police remaining unpunished?
Aug 9th 2011 | 1:12 am
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Re: the breakdown of society?
All this , brings me memories of my first-ever visit to New York City , spring/early summer of 1970 ;
the police were walking around in groups of threes , walkie-talkies , helmets and armed to unbelievable levels , in Manhattan ; no-one normal would dare to make them cross ; the other imbeciles , the ones who try funny tricks : they'd either arrest or shoot them , there and then .
Yielded some good results , in time !
They did interview and grill me for some minutes , on a few occassions ; hey , when not guilty , usually you have no worries ! And so : I did not ( have any worries , in N.Y.C. nor along the coast of New England ) .
( Except that , eventually , much later I got arrested on Carolina , for hitch-hiking on the motorway , which I knew was illegal , yet the the arrest would not happen in those years anywhere N.YC. , Maine , Massachussets , Vermont and all the way to Chicago ...been there , done that ! So , I slept in jail for the weekend , the grub was revolting , on Monday they confirmed my coordinates and let me go , with a warning ; I don't say they were right or wrong , particularly , yet I do observe the laws a lot since then , as I don't look forward to any repetitions of suchlike episodes )
the police were walking around in groups of threes , walkie-talkies , helmets and armed to unbelievable levels , in Manhattan ; no-one normal would dare to make them cross ; the other imbeciles , the ones who try funny tricks : they'd either arrest or shoot them , there and then .
Yielded some good results , in time !
They did interview and grill me for some minutes , on a few occassions ; hey , when not guilty , usually you have no worries ! And so : I did not ( have any worries , in N.Y.C. nor along the coast of New England ) .
( Except that , eventually , much later I got arrested on Carolina , for hitch-hiking on the motorway , which I knew was illegal , yet the the arrest would not happen in those years anywhere N.YC. , Maine , Massachussets , Vermont and all the way to Chicago ...been there , done that ! So , I slept in jail for the weekend , the grub was revolting , on Monday they confirmed my coordinates and let me go , with a warning ; I don't say they were right or wrong , particularly , yet I do observe the laws a lot since then , as I don't look forward to any repetitions of suchlike episodes )
