the breakdown of society?
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:03 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Duggan shooting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:04 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
...or when did we last see a major peaceful demonstration in the UK ?
Problem is that the minute one of the cops is caught on camera as much as raising a finger to one of the scumbags, there'll be one hell of a public outcry and the present disgraceful scenes will take a back seat.
Now if we could only swap cops with Spain for just a few days, thats probably all it would take to straighten out the thinking of some of these mindless numbskulls.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:05 pm
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Aug 8th 2011 | 11:10 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Duggan shooting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
But seriously. I don't know wow or why this guy died and of course it should be investigated and the family should be dealt with sensitively. Almost everyone agrees that these extended riots are nothing to do with the initial crime. (On whatever side this turns out to be)
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:12 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Duggan shooting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:14 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
In the mean time, where are the parents? if the state was to take each child away from the missing parents who wring their hands saying "my little jimmy just doesn't do what I tell him" they would soon be shouting "he's a lovely boy, kind and fits in well with his family and friends, you are abusing our family's human rights".
children learn about parenting from a very early age - from their own parents. as they get older they will use those childhood experiences in bringing up their own children. I shudder at the potential mayhem to come from the 4yo's next door.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:21 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
For someone who only deals in hard facts, quoting a mere suggestion from a rag like the Guardian with its well known agenda is not really very impressive, no more impressive in fact than those who claim that the Guardian went a long way to help instigate the present unrest.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:25 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Saw this elsewhere about the Duggan shooting.
"The ballistics report will provide a forensic analysis in order to get a clearer picture of what happened, what shots were fired, and in which order.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has confirmed that a non-police gun was discovered at the scene and a bullet was found in an officer's radio.
But it is refusing to comment on a report in the Guardian that the bullet was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by 29-year-old Duggan"
At the moment everything is speculation. Duggan is portrayed as a villain by some, a saint by others, and as a human being by his family.
The police have started off on the wrong foot, by not treating the family with the respect due them, - doubly so because of the victim's colour, the state of the area and all the memories of Steven Lawrence.
They claim that he shot at them. If he did, then he can't complain that he is now being fitted for a shroud. If tho he didn't shoot at the police, and they are lying yet again, then it will be proof positive that no great change has ocurred in police practice in the Met after all.
"The ballistics report will provide a forensic analysis in order to get a clearer picture of what happened, what shots were fired, and in which order.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has confirmed that a non-police gun was discovered at the scene and a bullet was found in an officer's radio.
But it is refusing to comment on a report in the Guardian that the bullet was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by 29-year-old Duggan"
At the moment everything is speculation. Duggan is portrayed as a villain by some, a saint by others, and as a human being by his family.
The police have started off on the wrong foot, by not treating the family with the respect due them, - doubly so because of the victim's colour, the state of the area and all the memories of Steven Lawrence.
They claim that he shot at them. If he did, then he can't complain that he is now being fitted for a shroud. If tho he didn't shoot at the police, and they are lying yet again, then it will be proof positive that no great change has ocurred in police practice in the Met after all.
Duggan shooting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
killed by a single shot to the chest, second bullet found in police radio? So who fired that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...k-london-burns
suggestion that second bullet was police issue.
One thing for sure, if the other gun was carried by Duggan and he turned towards me if I was an armed policeman, I wouldnt hesitate too long before defending myself rather than end up dead through hesitation. Maybe I wouldnt have made a very good policeman, I dunno
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:28 pm
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
For someone who only deals in hard facts, quoting a mere suggestion from a rag like the Guardian with its well known agenda is not really very impressive, no more impressive in fact than those who claim that the Guardian went a long way to help instigate the present unrest.
I'm just so impressed with all the other papers who have no agenda at all Coughmurdochcough... and are so honestly and straightforwardly run.
Tell you what, the day you have proof that the guardian hacks into phones like the real rags do, then, and only then can you criticise it.
Okay, so how exactly did the guardian start it? That's a bit ott even for your deranged ramblings.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:31 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
It was mentioned by one of the newspapers last night that the officer who shot, actually shot twice. The first bullet killed him, and the second missed or passed through his body and hit a policeman, hence the bullet in the radio. Who knows.
One thing for sure, if the other gun was carried by Duggan and he turned towards me if I was an armed policeman, I wouldnt hesitate too long before defending myself rather than end up dead through hesitation. Maybe I wouldnt have made a very good policeman, I dunno
One thing for sure, if the other gun was carried by Duggan and he turned towards me if I was an armed policeman, I wouldnt hesitate too long before defending myself rather than end up dead through hesitation. Maybe I wouldnt have made a very good policeman, I dunno
You shoot at a copper, and your corpse has 57 bullet wounds in it, I won't give a damn. i'll buy them all a beer.
However, the day that your corpse turns up with a police bullet in it, and I think they are lying about how it got there, I'll kick up hell.
Now where exactly am I wrong in those sentiments?
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:33 pm
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
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Forgot this. I don't know about you, but were I their training office I would be ripping them another arsehole for allowing one of their own to end up in their line of fire.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:34 pm
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Aug 8th 2011 | 11:36 pm
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Oh right. A police issue bullet could never get into the hands of criminals!
But seriously. I don't know wow or why this guy died and of course it should be investigated and the family should be dealt with sensitively. Almost everyone agrees that these extended riots are nothing to do with the initial crime. (On whatever side this turns out to be)
But seriously. I don't know wow or why this guy died and of course it should be investigated and the family should be dealt with sensitively. Almost everyone agrees that these extended riots are nothing to do with the initial crime. (On whatever side this turns out to be)
That shot was all it took to ignite a riot waiting to happen.
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:37 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Jeeze, Mitz, let's get with the programme. If you throw a petrol bomb at a police officer, and in the process of arresting you, he breaks both your arms, don't come crying to me.
You shoot at a copper, and your corpse has 57 bullet wounds in it, I won't give a damn. i'll buy them all a beer.
However, the day that your corpse turns up with a police bullet in it, and I think they are lying about how it got there, I'll kick up hell.
Now where exactly am I wrong in those sentiments?
You shoot at a copper, and your corpse has 57 bullet wounds in it, I won't give a damn. i'll buy them all a beer.
However, the day that your corpse turns up with a police bullet in it, and I think they are lying about how it got there, I'll kick up hell.
Now where exactly am I wrong in those sentiments?
Maybe seemingly thinking that what is happening now is justified by one man getting shot by a police officer. Nothing that is going on now can be justified, it is a series of criminal acts. Whereas the actual shooting is being investigated by the PCC, and because of that it seems the Police are unable to comment on what happened until the investigation is complete. Seems that silence is an admission of guilt though doesnt it
Aug 8th 2011 | 11:39 pm
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Peaceful demonstration, whats one of those ?
...or when did we last see a major peaceful demonstration in the UK ?
Problem is that the minute one of the cops is caught on camera as much as raising a finger to one of the scumbags, there'll be one hell of a public outcry and the present disgraceful scenes will take a back seat.
Now if we could only swap cops with Spain for just a few days, thats probably all it would take to straighten out the thinking of some of these mindless numbskulls.
...or when did we last see a major peaceful demonstration in the UK ?
Problem is that the minute one of the cops is caught on camera as much as raising a finger to one of the scumbags, there'll be one hell of a public outcry and the present disgraceful scenes will take a back seat.
Now if we could only swap cops with Spain for just a few days, thats probably all it would take to straighten out the thinking of some of these mindless numbskulls.
