the breakdown of society?
Aug 9th 2011 | 11:51 pm
#181
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
well some laws do need tweeking, especially when a senior male apprehends a minor for an offence can end up in court for not only assault but also sexual offences that are totally unwarrented. I can remember trying to take a photo of kids involved in anti-social behaviour but was unsuccessful. The subsequent discussion with a WPC hinged more around my intentions and did I know it was unlawful than around the ASB
at the moment a minor of any sex shouting sexual attack attracts more do-gooders than a woman shouting rape. There appears to be more "brownie points" in getting someone for paedophilia than for rape - to the extent the latter is looked on as "assault with a friendly weapon".
at the moment a minor of any sex shouting sexual attack attracts more do-gooders than a woman shouting rape. There appears to be more "brownie points" in getting someone for paedophilia than for rape - to the extent the latter is looked on as "assault with a friendly weapon".
Aug 9th 2011 | 11:52 pm
#182
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From: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Re: the breakdown of society?
So nice to hear the republican view on the world. The political group who gave us the Bush years, and the country that has inteferred in more democracies than Russia.
You know, I posted that bit about the black guy talking to the reporter and asking her why they weren't asking why kids here were doing it all, and I thought to myself, 'There's a nice little bear trap. I wonder which moron will walk into it?'
and here you are. You see, your problem is you don't think. Mine, that I think too much. You are so dumb that you assume I am some kind of bleeding heart liberal that wants to go out there and hug a hoody.
I don't want anything to do with feral people. As far as I am concerned, it wouldn't greatly concern me if they put in a curfew, and shot looters on sight. I'd put a couple of snipers on the roofs and post notices that anyone going into a shop without police permission would be shot.
Anyone stupid enough to ignore it, or illiterate people would be helping us in adding a bit of bleach to the gene pool. Perhaps they could shoot republican voters too. Now that would raise the average IQ.
The state that things are in at the moment is analgous to a house infested with mice. Many of you are screaming that we need to buy poison, traps and a better cat. In saying that we need to ask why these people are as they are, I am saying, 'The mice must be getting in thru a hole. Perhaps we should try looking for holes and blocking them.'
For that I get some yankee tosser telling me I am advocating hugging the mice and sending them on holiday.
And so to conclude, and to finish disputes.... I would say this. When these riots are over, it won't be the end of it. The looters will go home, and year on year there will be more feral people crowded into less and less savoury environs, and the prisons will be full of custard pie throwers and political protesters. You'll have to buy more cats, more traps and more poison, because none of you will be bright enough to listen when someone says 'Perhaps there's a hole somewhere'.
Oh yeah for those of you unable to understand what an anology is, I'm perfectly happy to mock you, even if there is no challenge in it.
You know, I posted that bit about the black guy talking to the reporter and asking her why they weren't asking why kids here were doing it all, and I thought to myself, 'There's a nice little bear trap. I wonder which moron will walk into it?'
and here you are. You see, your problem is you don't think. Mine, that I think too much. You are so dumb that you assume I am some kind of bleeding heart liberal that wants to go out there and hug a hoody.
I don't want anything to do with feral people. As far as I am concerned, it wouldn't greatly concern me if they put in a curfew, and shot looters on sight. I'd put a couple of snipers on the roofs and post notices that anyone going into a shop without police permission would be shot.
Anyone stupid enough to ignore it, or illiterate people would be helping us in adding a bit of bleach to the gene pool. Perhaps they could shoot republican voters too. Now that would raise the average IQ.
The state that things are in at the moment is analgous to a house infested with mice. Many of you are screaming that we need to buy poison, traps and a better cat. In saying that we need to ask why these people are as they are, I am saying, 'The mice must be getting in thru a hole. Perhaps we should try looking for holes and blocking them.'
For that I get some yankee tosser telling me I am advocating hugging the mice and sending them on holiday.
And so to conclude, and to finish disputes.... I would say this. When these riots are over, it won't be the end of it. The looters will go home, and year on year there will be more feral people crowded into less and less savoury environs, and the prisons will be full of custard pie throwers and political protesters. You'll have to buy more cats, more traps and more poison, because none of you will be bright enough to listen when someone says 'Perhaps there's a hole somewhere'.
Oh yeah for those of you unable to understand what an anology is, I'm perfectly happy to mock you, even if there is no challenge in it.
remember bil - more water with lunch
Aug 9th 2011 | 11:56 pm
#183
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From: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Re: the breakdown of society?
all laws are subject to interpretation, some are so well written they havent been faulted for many decades. others are being re-interpreted every few years.
and where it used to be the average man on the bus - he is now walking because the bus has been torched.
Aug 9th 2011 | 11:58 pm
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
What if there is no evidence ?
Dead men tell no tales.
As long as he hasn't copped a one in the back of the head of course.
Not difficult to plant a weapon either with only the dead mans DNA.
Don't expect to meet with your approval but I suppose that might give you a clue to my attitude.
Dead men tell no tales.
As long as he hasn't copped a one in the back of the head of course.
Not difficult to plant a weapon either with only the dead mans DNA.
Don't expect to meet with your approval but I suppose that might give you a clue to my attitude.
No evidence? Don't ever, ever be stupid enough to commit a crime based on that evidence. I had a couple of friends on the force pre CSI and they used to tell me stories about the work that the SOCO boys would do.
I would never, ever commit murder, the buggers never give up, and the always have more questions than you have answers.
To give you an idea. Everywhere you go, you leave little calling cards that say 'DD was here', and odds are you pick up others that say exactly where you have been. The nice man asks you if you were ever at the murder scene.
If you say Yes, then there will be lots of questions. If you say no, he'll say "For the record, are you absolutely sure?"
That's the phrase that pays, because he's got the SOCO report that says your DNA was all over the place.
I thnk the next course of events after that is best described thus.
Your arse is grass, and he's the lawnmower.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:01 am
#185
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
how can any one from the Uk criticise the current laws that will allow such matters as I have stated to happen.
all laws are subject to interpretation, some are so well written they havent been faulted for many decades. others are being re-interpreted every few years.
and where it used to be the average man on the bus - he is now walking because the bus has been torched.
all laws are subject to interpretation, some are so well written they havent been faulted for many decades. others are being re-interpreted every few years.
and where it used to be the average man on the bus - he is now walking because the bus has been torched.
To help you, I was criticising the current laws, but don't let reality get in the way of your having a dig at my posts.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:02 am
#186
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:20 am
#187
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Re: the breakdown of society?
because you have had to apologise to me over your own shortcomings earlier and I can understand that still rankles, there is no need to be abusive
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:20 am
#188
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Re: the breakdown of society?
I'm sorry? It needs defining? No wonder we have problems.
If you can claim the burglar was presenting a real threat to your life, you have the absolute right to kill him. However, the evidence has to back this up. If he is smaller than you, and/or the entry wounds are in his back, you are in trouble.
If you can claim the burglar was presenting a real threat to your life, you have the absolute right to kill him. However, the evidence has to back this up. If he is smaller than you, and/or the entry wounds are in his back, you are in trouble.
In this shooting of Duggan, the police now have to demonstrate that he was presenting a threat to life.
That's a requirement of the law.
Does that help? If not, try getting out the Big Boy's Book of Adjectives and looking the words up. It's less to do with science, and more to do with basic literacy.
That's a requirement of the law.
Does that help? If not, try getting out the Big Boy's Book of Adjectives and looking the words up. It's less to do with science, and more to do with basic literacy.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:22 am
#189
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Oh, how little you know me. Do you think I'd do anything else? Martin went to jail because he was stupid. Really, really stupid. and then he lied about something that was obviously not true.
No evidence? Don't ever, ever be stupid enough to commit a crime based on that evidence. I had a couple of friends on the force pre CSI and they used to tell me stories about the work that the SOCO boys would do.
I would never, ever commit murder, the buggers never give up, and the always have more questions than you have answers.
To give you an idea. Everywhere you go, you leave little calling cards that say 'DD was here', and odds are you pick up others that say exactly where you have been. The nice man asks you if you were ever at the murder scene.
If you say Yes, then there will be lots of questions. If you say no, he'll say "For the record, are you absolutely sure?"
That's the phrase that pays, because he's got the SOCO report that says your DNA was all over the place.
I thnk the next course of events after that is best described thus.
Your arse is grass, and he's the lawnmower.
No evidence? Don't ever, ever be stupid enough to commit a crime based on that evidence. I had a couple of friends on the force pre CSI and they used to tell me stories about the work that the SOCO boys would do.
I would never, ever commit murder, the buggers never give up, and the always have more questions than you have answers.
To give you an idea. Everywhere you go, you leave little calling cards that say 'DD was here', and odds are you pick up others that say exactly where you have been. The nice man asks you if you were ever at the murder scene.
If you say Yes, then there will be lots of questions. If you say no, he'll say "For the record, are you absolutely sure?"
That's the phrase that pays, because he's got the SOCO report that says your DNA was all over the place.
I thnk the next course of events after that is best described thus.
Your arse is grass, and he's the lawnmower.
Apologies if I didn't make myself clear.
From your most recent posts I seem to sense a toughening up in your attitude.
Keep up the good work.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:27 am
#190
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Looking in my 'Big Boy's Book of Adjectives' I see that excessive is defined as too much, inappropriate and so on, tho I accept that inappropriate is a big word. It's the opposite of appropriate.
Since my definition was so crap, I'm looking forward to you now providing a much improved definition of the words 'appropriate' and 'excessive'.
Fail to do this, will of course lay you open to having the piss extracted radically. I know there's no challenge in it, but perhaps moron baiting can be elevated to an Olympic level.
Since my definition was so crap, I'm looking forward to you now providing a much improved definition of the words 'appropriate' and 'excessive'.
Fail to do this, will of course lay you open to having the piss extracted radically. I know there's no challenge in it, but perhaps moron baiting can be elevated to an Olympic level.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:31 am
#191
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
Sorry but your evidence has all gone down straight down the pan, as I was presuming it was on my own premises, elsewhere, yes, more care would be required.
Apologies if I didn't make myself clear.
From your most recent posts I seem to sense a toughening up in your attitude.
Keep up the good work.
Apologies if I didn't make myself clear.
From your most recent posts I seem to sense a toughening up in your attitude.
Keep up the good work.
My attitude? I don't like stupid people who try and make my life less comfortable. If killing them would solve the problem, I'd vote for it in a heartbeat, but the problem is, I couldn't trust the government to stick to people I didn't like, since most of them would be at the head of the list.
Be serious. If we shot all the hard of thinking, think of the problem of disposing of that much rotting meat.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:33 am
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
My sweet, I have never knowingly apologised to you for anything. If I expressed sorrow at your state of mind, you shouldn't interpret it as anything other than pity.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:49 am
#193
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Re: the breakdown of society?
If you read back over your last dozen or so hysterical postings, not something I could bear to do, you may realise what I mean, what a few of us mean when we try vainly to cut off the flow of nonsense coming from you.
You've tried to hijack a sensible discussion dear to our hearts, by repeatedly posting your daft views on life.
For what it's worth, I disagree with every word you say, and I don't think I'm the only one.
Aug 10th 2011 | 12:56 am
#194
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Re: the breakdown of society?
Looking in my 'Big Boy's Book of Adjectives' I see that excessive is defined as too much, inappropriate and so on, tho I accept that inappropriate is a big word. It's the opposite of appropriate.
Since my definition was so crap, I'm looking forward to you now providing a much improved definition of the words 'appropriate' and 'excessive'.
Fail to do this, will of course lay you open to having the piss extracted radically. I know there's no challenge in it, but perhaps moron baiting can be elevated to an Olympic level.
Since my definition was so crap, I'm looking forward to you now providing a much improved definition of the words 'appropriate' and 'excessive'.
Fail to do this, will of course lay you open to having the piss extracted radically. I know there's no challenge in it, but perhaps moron baiting can be elevated to an Olympic level.
I note you ignored the second part of my post which is much more relevant to this debate. Here...
Rubbish. The police don't have to demonstrate that he was presenting a threat to life but they do have to demonstrate that they believed he was presenting a threat to life. Big difference and possibly a crucial difference in this case. In fact it's probably that difference that most people don't understand and why it's believed erroneously that the police are 'let off' so frequently in cases like this.
Aug 10th 2011 | 1:02 am
#195
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From: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Re: the breakdown of society?
I'm sorry, Bil, but we're not in Wonderland, you are. You've fallen deep down that rabbit hole.
If you read back over your last dozen or so hysterical postings, not something I could bear to do, you may realise what I mean, what a few of us mean when we try vainly to cut off the flow of nonsense coming from you.
You've tried to hijack a sensible discussion dear to our hearts, by repeatedly posting your daft views on life.
For what it's worth, I disagree with every word you say, and I don't think I'm the only one.
If you read back over your last dozen or so hysterical postings, not something I could bear to do, you may realise what I mean, what a few of us mean when we try vainly to cut off the flow of nonsense coming from you.
You've tried to hijack a sensible discussion dear to our hearts, by repeatedly posting your daft views on life.
For what it's worth, I disagree with every word you say, and I don't think I'm the only one.
So, when I say that force has to be appropriate, I'm wrong and no-one agrees?
When I say that police officers have to be subject to the law of the land, I'm wrong and no-one agrees?
When I say we need more bobbies on the beat, I'm wrong and no-one agrees?
When I say that police officers deserve better than they get from government that has sistematically robbed them of benefits, I'm wrong and no-one agrees?
When I say that forensics are amazing?
That the police never give up on a murder?
That year on year there will be more ferals not less?
That an intelligent man blocks the entry holes?
All this is wrong and no one agrees?
You know old son, you may well be a great author, but this last post was drivel.
However, I'm happy to throw this open to the rest of the forum. I'd like to see if 'everyone' really says that what I just posted is wrong, and that we should have the opposite to what I've written.
C'mon guys, step up to the crease.
