Avoid the British when on holiday
Jul 24th 2015 | 11:50 pm
#301
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
I've always felt the NHS is probably the most efficient public healthcare system in the world. Considering it costs about £80bil annually to provide preventative, pre- and post-illness, and emergency healthcare to 65 million citizens, it's damned difficult to rubbish it. Especially considering how abused it often is.
But its not only expats that rubbish it, it seems plenty of UK citizens do too. Complaining about long wait times, etc. And any mention of implementing any kind of minimal co-pay for prescriptions or unnecessary abuse of A&E (as in other public healthcare systems) is confronted with protests similar to an anti-thatcher rally.
You can't expect 5-star service when paying 2-star prices. I think people should try to appreciate how good they have it.
But its not only expats that rubbish it, it seems plenty of UK citizens do too. Complaining about long wait times, etc. And any mention of implementing any kind of minimal co-pay for prescriptions or unnecessary abuse of A&E (as in other public healthcare systems) is confronted with protests similar to an anti-thatcher rally.
You can't expect 5-star service when paying 2-star prices. I think people should try to appreciate how good they have it.
Jul 24th 2015 | 11:54 pm
#302
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
We do have more obtaining so called degrees from what used to be the local tech but is now the university of mediocrity.
So you have a degree in media, or fashion buying or any of the other useless qualifications in todays employment market.
What do they equip them for, serving in a pub or a shop.
InUK medical schools you will find have large numbers of overseas students who when qualified return to their original country or sell their gained UK skills abroad.We saw this in Bristol as it was graduation week.
How degrees are financed has to change, Tuition charges for degrees which we will call second or third tier have to be increased substantially and those for medicine, sciences etc or even removed.
The best from our schools should be able to compete for places for degrees that matter without having to worry about how they will live for their time at university or medical school.
So you have a degree in media, or fashion buying or any of the other useless qualifications in todays employment market.
What do they equip them for, serving in a pub or a shop.
InUK medical schools you will find have large numbers of overseas students who when qualified return to their original country or sell their gained UK skills abroad.We saw this in Bristol as it was graduation week.
How degrees are financed has to change, Tuition charges for degrees which we will call second or third tier have to be increased substantially and those for medicine, sciences etc or even removed.
The best from our schools should be able to compete for places for degrees that matter without having to worry about how they will live for their time at university or medical school.
Would agree with you about tuition fees and the recent changes to maintenance grants will make it even more difficult.
Only about 7% places at medical schools are for international (none EU) students.
Many NHS staff have qualified abroad.
One difficulty for doctor numbers is the great increase in girls qualifying and many will work only part time for much of their working life.
Jul 25th 2015 | 12:13 am
#303
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
We do have more obtaining so called degrees from what used to be the local tech but is now the university of mediocrity.
So you have a degree in media, or fashion buying or any of the other useless qualifications in todays employment market.
What do they equip them for, serving in a pub or a shop.
So you have a degree in media, or fashion buying or any of the other useless qualifications in todays employment market.
What do they equip them for, serving in a pub or a shop.
Jul 25th 2015 | 4:07 am
#304
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From: Antas
Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
I have always found the Spanish to be hard working and whilst people moan about their 'siestas' most work 8-9hrs a day plus, just different hours to the UK
Jul 25th 2015 | 4:19 am
#305
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
I've always felt the NHS is probably the most efficient public healthcare system in the world. Considering it costs about £80bil annually to provide preventative, pre- and post-illness, and emergency healthcare to 65 million citizens, it's damned difficult to rubbish it. Especially considering how abused it often is.
But its not only expats that rubbish it, it seems plenty of UK residents do too. Complaining about long wait times, etc. And any mention of implementing any kind of minimal co-pay for prescriptions or unnecessary abuse of A&E (as in other public healthcare systems) is confronted with protests similar to an anti-thatcher rally.
You can't expect 5-star service when paying 2-star prices. I think people should try to appreciate how good they have it.
But its not only expats that rubbish it, it seems plenty of UK residents do too. Complaining about long wait times, etc. And any mention of implementing any kind of minimal co-pay for prescriptions or unnecessary abuse of A&E (as in other public healthcare systems) is confronted with protests similar to an anti-thatcher rally.
You can't expect 5-star service when paying 2-star prices. I think people should try to appreciate how good they have it.
You are with respect out of sync with developments NHS wise in the UK
Stick to what you know
Jul 25th 2015 | 4:24 am
#306
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
That is madness so on coming into A and E we have either two stars or five stars? If you have the money you could book into a better A and E.
How about the concept of perhaps every month you see a deduction from your Salary of some £140 to the NHS
It is not expectation it is either life or death.
Then to cross border health issues between England and Wales. That could be for me the final part of my Phd.
How about the concept of perhaps every month you see a deduction from your Salary of some £140 to the NHS
It is not expectation it is either life or death.
Then to cross border health issues between England and Wales. That could be for me the final part of my Phd.
Jul 25th 2015 | 4:50 am
#307
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From: Hampshire and La Zenia
Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
Most efficient in the world?! When have you last used any NHS service? 20 years ago?
Paying 2-star prices?! That's a joke, surely. We are paying, and paying handsomely not just for us, but for others who get it really for free.
Maybe you should get down from wherever you're perched and have a taste of the real world.
Jul 25th 2015 | 5:02 am
#308
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
This is a discussion forum.
This is a discussion.
It doesn't have to have a point.
So long as people stay polite to each other they can spout absolute drivel as far as I am concerned ( and they frequently do!). Usually there are a few gems that make it worthwhile.
If you don't like it you don't have to read it.
This is a discussion.
It doesn't have to have a point.
So long as people stay polite to each other they can spout absolute drivel as far as I am concerned ( and they frequently do!). Usually there are a few gems that make it worthwhile.
If you don't like it you don't have to read it.
Where did I say I didn't like it? I am educated enough to realise I don't have to read it. I just asked a question which you answered- no need for the sarcasm.
Jul 25th 2015 | 5:22 am
#309
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
I was just watching from the side line, but you've touched a sore point and, sorry to be so blunt, I can only agree with others who questioned the bases of your opinions.
Most efficient in the world?! When have you last used any NHS service? 20 years ago?
Paying 2-star prices?! That's a joke, surely. We are paying, and paying handsomely not just for us, but for others who get it really for free.
Maybe you should get down from wherever you're perched and have a taste of the real world.
Most efficient in the world?! When have you last used any NHS service? 20 years ago?
Paying 2-star prices?! That's a joke, surely. We are paying, and paying handsomely not just for us, but for others who get it really for free.
Maybe you should get down from wherever you're perched and have a taste of the real world.
I agree that the NHS should seek to increase the small profit it makes from treating those who do not live in the UK.
That should include those Brits who have moved abroad and also abuse the system.
I have not had to use the NHS for much during my life but I do not begrudge a penny of my contributions that have gone into treating family and friends.
Some who would not be with us now if they had to rely on a system based on being able to purchase expensive health insurance..
Jul 25th 2015 | 5:30 am
#310
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From: Hampshire and La Zenia
Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
I'm sorry EMR, but I believe you missed my point.
My points being that a) it is far from being "the most efficient in the world" and b) that we, the British tax payers, are paying handsomely for services to ... everybody and his dog.
My points being that a) it is far from being "the most efficient in the world" and b) that we, the British tax payers, are paying handsomely for services to ... everybody and his dog.
Jul 25th 2015 | 5:34 am
#311
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
Which system is more efficient?
Stop reading tabloids.
Jul 25th 2015 | 6:40 am
#313
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
Have you of late become involved in any of the systems?
Jul 25th 2015 | 7:14 am
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Re: Avoid the British when on holiday
So far your many posts on this thread have predominantly only sought to denigrate other poster's points of view, to make unpleasant assumptions about the other posters and to generally be disruptive to the thread. Is that your intention or do you have some point to make other than to draw attention to yourself?
