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Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 5:48 am
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Originally Posted by lutonlad
There is another angle - especially if we're comparing the UK and Spain...

Booze in Spain is very cheap - a fraction of UK prices. So drink fueled anti social behavior and disorder should be far more prevalent among the Spanish.
With all due respect to those defending Brit culture, this is simply not the case.

It also makes a mockery of the notion that charging more for alcohol in the UK will solve the problem.
So they should charge less for alcohol.That should solve the problem.
Gets my vote.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 5:49 am
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One of the problems is that many UK City and Town centres to make money have turned themselves into weekend party cities ( weekend being Thursday to Sunday ). They strive to attracted stag and hen parties often organised parties and yes they often drink too much and act in ways many of us would not. Also the multitude of fly on the wall TV programmes love this sort of thing and people play up for the camera people see it and for some reason emulate the bad behaviour. Foreign resorts have also targeted such groups in pursuit of profit fueling the problem . Younger females seem to see women's liberation means being more outrageous than men as proving their female identity. They seem tohave to drink more, swear more and expose more flesh . But that is the modern world. Not all Brits are bad by a long chalk but through the media and if you visit the wrong areas yes there are some very bad examples. Spanish kids hang about chatting buying drugs having a spliff etc etc they do not seem I admit to have the same problems with drink, but then where I am is a rural village. What happens at the coast or cities? As I said before good and bad kids and people everywhere . some UK local authorities should accept some responsibility for the problems in the UK they fuelled it for money in the coffers as no doubt have many Spanish and other resorts.
 
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Isn't this the time when the Madridlenos come to the costas and cause havoc. I seem to recall that this is a recurring problem in Gandia and that is hardly expat territory so cannot be put at the Brits door.
Having said that there is no excuse whatever the nationality.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato
I know two similar(ish) resorts very well - Estepona and Weston-super-Mare (which incidentally just might be where EMR is talking about).

Admittedly I haven't spent much time in WSM centre for some time but it was never too bad - usually a bunch of Brummies getting legless and throwing up but that was about it. I must try it again - maybe it's got worse.

I lived in Estepona port for many years and it was common to see people throwing up, using car boots to snort coke off and pissing in full view of all - the place used to stink like a urinal on Saturday and Sunday mornings in the summer (vast majority Spanish by the way - very few Brits there).
WSM is now the domain of the Greek community and I know Constables for there is no such thing as a Police Officer it is the Office of Police Constable who are dealing in the UK with drugs money laundering and the like.

Money and profit is the root of all evil. Of course CM is a modern day Port Sunlight and Bournville. As someone whose profession is within the fluffy world of Social Science he should of course be able to comment upon these developments.

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Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 6:39 am
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Originally Posted by johnnyone
Isn't this the time when the Madridlenos come to the costas and cause havoc. I seem to recall that this is a recurring problem in Gandia and that is hardly expat territory so cannot be put at the Brits door.
Having said that there is no excuse whatever the nationality.
Most of the anti Brit nonsense posted is obviously based on experiences at mainly British resorts or in British trashy tabloids.

I have spent enough time in Spanish resorts to see much the same problems there.

Most of them are fairly depressing places in general with very limited facilities, consequently much of the action takes place on the beaches often right through the night with little or no control over proceedings.

The Spanish youngsters are more inclined towards drugs than alcohol, though a fair amount of both is usually consumed often by under age kids.

By morning these places can often look more like a bomb site, bodies all over the place and a number of both drink/drug related as well as knife fight related casualties ending up in hospital.

I think if some of these anti Brit posters got down from their ivory towers and got out and about a bit more they would probably look at the overall situation in a much different perspective.

A couple of horrific examples have already been demonstrated on here of what Spanish kids are capable of and do on a regular basis at football matches for instance, far worse than anything that's happened in relation to UK football in recent years.

Anyone who follows the Spanish news should surely be aware of the increasing concern the Govt has expressed and are at present still considering what actions they can take to reduce the problem.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 7:21 am
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Just had lunch in a Spanish restaurant in La Cala (well it would be in Spain wouldn't it ).
Although the indication on here was I would get murdered and be surrounded by vomiting and urinating drunks absolutely nothing happened.
Chose restaurant because 3 people in paint spattered clothes walked in before us.
Waiter/Owner spoke "un poco" about the same as me and after 6 courses and brandy mugged my wife and I of €55
Kind of think
A)Stop reading forums or
B) Just accept Spanish people are as nice as you
I am sure there are a*ssholes out there but I seem to miss them.
Is this a benefit of ageing?.
BTW we all agreed it was too BL**dy hot so it's not just me.
As the Americans say "just my 2 c worth.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Most of the anti Brit nonsense posted is obviously based on experiences at mainly British resorts or in British trashy tabloids.

I have spent enough time in Spanish resorts to see much the same problems there.

Most of them are fairly depressing places in general with very limited facilities, consequently much of the action takes place on the beaches often right through the night with little or no control over proceedings.

The Spanish youngsters are more inclined towards drugs than alcohol, though a fair amount of both is usually consumed often by under age kids.

By morning these places can often look more like a bomb site, bodies all over the place and a number of both drink/drug related as well as knife fight related casualties ending up in hospital.

I think if some of these anti Brit posters got down from their ivory towers and got out and about a bit more they would probably look at the overall situation in a much different perspective.

A couple of horrific examples have already been demonstrated on here of what Spanish kids are capable of and do on a regular basis at football matches for instance, far worse than anything that's happened in relation to UK football in recent years.

Anyone who follows the Spanish news should surely be aware of the increasing concern the Govt has expressed and are at present still considering what actions they can take to reduce the problem.
The French say that Spain is the gateway to Africa and thus enough said.;
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by Porth
WSM is now the domain of the Greek community and I know Constables for there is no such thing as a Police Officer it is the Office of Police Constable who are dealing in the UK with drugs money laundering and the like.

Money and profit is the root of all evil. Of course CM is a modern day Port Sunlight and Bournville. As someone whose profession is within the fluffy world of Social Science he should of course be able to comment upon these developments.

Would love to meet him but what is the value?
A little out of date,weston was once very mich a greek cypriot business dominated resort but all that has changed with in inrroads of the chains, weatherspoons etc, with more to come..
Up market Italian and Asian restaurants sit oddly alongside the old and decaying meat and two veg places .
The local council and police authority have not backed down to those in the nightime trade shutting down some and strictly monitering others.
They still have a long way to go before putting it simply towns like weston and resorts abroad hold little appeal to those who just want to drink and party until the early hours.
Quality can be just as profitable and far less hassle than quantity , it is a message that seems to be slowly sinking in.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
A little out of date,weston was once very mich a greek cypriot business dominated resort but all that has changed with in inrroads of the chains, weatherspoons etc, with more to come..
Up market Italian and Asian restaurants sit oddly alongside the old and decaying meat and two veg places .
The local council and police authority have not backed down to those in the nightime trade shutting down some and strictly monitering others.
They still have a long way to go before putting it simply towns like weston and resorts abroad hold little appeal to those who just want to drink and party until the early hours.
Quality can be just as profitable and far less hassle than quantity , it is a message that seems to be slowly sinking in.
But of course today the current CC was found guilty of misconduct. I was fortunate and being part of a Home Office programme to know some three of the last CC's. I live just up the road in Wales.
 
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Originally Posted by Porth
The French say that Spain is the gateway to Africa and thus enough said.;
Africa begins at the Spanish border is the most common one.

My Spanish pals despise the French for such remarks and their oh so superior attitude.
A bit like some expats on this thread I suppose, but the less said on that the better.
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Worthwhile watch regardless of which side of the debate.

https://youtu.be/G-ilo2Lu2yw
I saw that some months ago, are the Spanish owned bars and clubs still running the bar crawls/drinks games et al and encouraging youngsters to drink to dangerous levels ? The Brits have a soft spot at times for booze but lets lay some of the blame squarely on some of the bar/club owners who are out for the €€€€€'s
 
Old Jul 23rd 2015 | 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Porth
CM let us have please a list of all that is wrong with British expats and we are thus able to identify what you think of us.

Incidentally you say you work in Spain. So you must now be home for lunch.

Then if you work in the Spanish system you expose yourself to the way that the Spanish people celebrate breakfast?

Let us have this out we need to know what is wrong with us. I also have some problems with your career background especially you re now in your early 30's

Biochemist then Sociologist and here a debate whether you have spent eight or ten years in Spain.

Was biochemistry in the UK as well as the fluffy subject of Sociology?

I am counting back so if must mean that from leaving school you certainly condensed a lot in a short period of time? Quite obviously no degree?

Or was your training in Spain

However folks we are now giving this 'guy' the oxygen upon which he exists. Squeeze the pipe and for the avoidance of doubt not literally


If you want to live in Spain and immerse yourself in the language and culture then great, fill your boots, go for it; but there is no need for him and others here to pan immigrants who choose to live surrounded by other English speakers...certainly if they've a good retirement income and its what they want to do.

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If you want to live in Spain and immerse yourself in the language and culture then great, fill your boots, go for it; but there is no need for him and others here to pan immigrants who choose to live surrounded by other English speakers...certainly if they've a good retirement income and its what they want to do.
Fair enough.

But conversely, if one chooses to live in that isolation in your life abroad, it's equally pompous to go around whinging about everyone else and how 'unbritish' (backward, 'third-world', undesirable) everything is. I hear those sentiments often from precisely those very British expats living in British expat communities. Yet its hardly backward here. It's just different.

Oddly though, you don't hear much of that from other nationalities. It seems to be a British fixation. Hence the stereotype.
 
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Originally Posted by EMR
A little out of date,weston was once very mich a greek cypriot business dominated resort but all that has changed with in inrroads of the chains, weatherspoons etc, with more to come..
Up market Italian and Asian restaurants sit oddly alongside the old and decaying meat and two veg places .
The local council and police authority have not backed down to those in the nightime trade shutting down some and strictly monitering others.
They still have a long way to go before putting it simply towns like weston and resorts abroad hold little appeal to those who just want to drink and party until the early hours.
Quality can be just as profitable and far less hassle than quantity , it is a message that seems to be slowly sinking in.
'Partying until the small hours' is very much a Spanish rather than British habit. In Estepona the bars are open (and heaving on weekends) until 5am - not seen that in Weston.
 
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Fair enough.

But conversely, if one chooses to live in that isolation in your life abroad, it's equally pompous to go around whinging about everyone else and how 'unbritish' (backward, 'third-world', undesirable) everything is. I hear those sentiments often from precisely those very British expats living in British expat communities. Yet its hardly backward here. It's just different.

Oddly though, you don't hear much of that from other nationalities. It seems to be a British fixation. Hence the stereotype.
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