littlejimmy

Unless they've got an assault rifle up their jumper...

Beakersful

Or anal warts (don't go there, too much stress waiting on a series of GUM pokings and proddings)

Norm_uk

I agree in principle...unless we are planning colonisation and culture change or it's happening close to home we should let them rot and use them for they are worth. Stop sharing technology, cut aid, only allow work related immigration on renewable visas (like the UAE) and simple trade.

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Bahtatboy

And that's what I mean by "tolerance" and "standing idly by" (or rather part of what we should be doing).

Miss Anne Thrope

I first assumed you were referring to the anal warts thing...

Norm_uk

Tolerance is a fine virtue but it's bedfellows are apathy and weakness.

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Norm_uk

No argument there. Clearly even strict interpretations of Sharia don't allow for this (because he took the law into his own hands - if he daughter broke their laws she should be reported to the police) so the fact he got off lightly is also repulsive and says a lot about the Saudi judicial system and continued tribal custom and notions of 'honour'.

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Norm_uk

I hate Americans for their spelling and refusal to admit they are an empire.

Otherwise they are ok - some of them can even drink a lot which is quite endearing.

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Norm_uk

I don't even agree with myself sometimes. My other personality really hates me. Thank the gods for prozac and Whiskey chasers!

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littlejimmy

Self-doubt is admirable. Absolute certainty is where the problems begin.

Norm_uk

She is lovely and probably had a hand in the death of whoever Reg Presley is (one man's victim is another's fertilizer after all).

I don't know how she does it between work, study, beating me, hiding my booze and my aspiring world domination via the expats forum...

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redShark

I actually don't know what stolen lands you are on about, Muslims have been living in their lands for donkey's years, more in fact, than the Anglo-Saxons in England, or the Aussies in Australia, and so on. I also am not really sure what you expect the Muslims (or any other human beings) to do if some one snatch their land. The British defended their own country and fought off German invasion, why would you then deny the Muslims the same right!!

Desert Dubliner

I don't see Germans marching on Sudetenland, well, not in the past 70 years anyway.

shiva

wow your knowledge of history is shockingly shite. you do realize that the period pre islam was far longer than that post and i do mean in the islamic world, heck half the islamic wold still follows pagan beliefs despite them being harram

Norm_uk

Muslims spread from Arabia and conquered a vast Empire. The first non-Arab lands they took were places like Syria, Iraq, Judea etc - around the early 600s. By this time Saxons were in England for 150 years at least so your claim that Muslims have been living in their lands for longer than Saxons have been in England is unfounded. A little more reading might suit you well.

The Saxons also only originally invaded with less than 2% of the population of the local people, yet they completely transformed the culture, language and identity of the land - just like Muslims did to their neighbours and eventually the Persians, Bactrians, many Indians (when they were not killing the estimated 80million Hindus during the few centuries they invaded and ruled). If you look this up online you'll also see most white Britons share the same DNA as people who lived there in the stone ages.

Regarding Australia etc - these lands were stolen and colonised, just like most of the middle east was from non-Arab and non-Muslim peoples over the 1400 years. If one day the natives took back a chunk of their land because they were tired of living as second class citizens in their ancestral homelands (like the Copts in Egypt - who have less rights than Native Australians or Americans today) and won that land in open warfare, legal purchases and endorsement from the UN would you support colonial Australian attempts to destroy their state and wipe them out? Would you support a land share deal that gives both groups something or would you support the removal of the colonising groups completely? It's not so black and white is it?

In the case of Britain it's clearer because most white Britons share the same DNA as people who lived their in the stone ages. No invader has had a signifcant impact on the gene pool (until recent legal and illegal immigration)http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk...ishgene_2.html and few Englishmen can even tell you the name of the tribes before the Saxons and Romans. (I know the Iceni were in my area...I'll be damned if I know their language, culture or anything more than they drank ale and liked fighting - so no change there).

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